Kanye West: Unedited Video

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September 3, 2005

Just listen to this via NBC – went over every network, I’m told.

Update: You might want to visit popular rapper Kanye West’s website. He was recently in the news when Shug Knight was SHOT at a party West was hosting. How lovely.

rap mogul shug knight has been shot at a party hosted by kanye west. he was apparently shot in the leg by an unknown assailant…more to come…



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Comments:
  1. angelaberdine says:

    Ah, Kayne was just upset that he was not able to be down there with the home boys doing a lootin’ and shootin’.

  2. LALady says:

    How disgusting…just what the people suffering need..why are the blacks trying to turn this into a racial issue????? I do not understand this type of mentality..Sicko, stupid, militant!!!

  3. RightMan says:

    Indeed, George Bush doesn’t care for the poor black people. He let them rot in their misery. Great that someone tells the TRUTH!!!
    It’s a SHAME that he let this happen. This asshole should be impeached and bring to justice right away!

  4. globetrotter says:

    “why would anyone want to rebuild anything to rehouse those welfare leeches?….10 billion dollars indeed…..it’s a shame eugenicists gave up the debate long ago.”
    Posted by: judgesmails11 | Sep 2, 2005 9:59:17 PM
    *************************************************
    Well, Dan,
    You have a sad group of readers here.
    Have any of the zealots screaming about social welfare ever heard this?
    “Whatever you do for the least of my brothers, that you do Unto Me”
    Our president attended a parade in San Diego the day after this tragedy hit. There he stood with his chest puffed out and a silver spoon rammed up his ass, his lovely wife beaming at his side as they posed for the cameras. He should have been rounding up every darned member of his cabinet at that critical moment to create an immediate response to a dire emergency of catastrophic proportions.
    Condolezza Rice is an articulate, refined Afro-American woman because she was born into an envirornment that afforded her opportuniies to be successful. The sick perverted white man (his name eludes me) that so horribly killed little Jessica Lungsford in Florida was born into abject poverty.
    We cannot influence the circumstances and families into which we are born, but we have a responsibility to be compassionate for those who have significantly less than us.
    It’s very frightening to me that it has become so difficult to speak out about how we feel about this President without being verbally stoned. He is seriously wanting as a leader and has never lived a day in his life in which he’s wanted for anything.
    I am sorry that you are putting such trash on your blog as headlines. In spite of the fact that you are conservative, (which I was too for my entire life until this President decided to start a bogus war,) I thought you were better than that.

  5. bobup says:

    President Bush could have activated National Guard units from other states on monday, but he proved again he is a slacker and an idiot, I hope all that voted that moron in are proud of them selves

  6. wirefox says:

    Gee Bobup, how come Florida didn’t need the President’s help during the multiple hurricane hits of 2004? Oh wait, the Governor of that state took care of business. Push your political agenda all you want. Face it Louisiana officials had 5 to 7 days to prepare, they gambled and lost.

  7. disgusted says:

    Rightman- you really need to change your postname to Wrongman.
    Globetrotter- you are too soft. Are you a member of the ACLU?
    Bobup- Do you know anything about hurricanes and if you do, have you ever been thru one? How about 2 back to back 2 miles apart, 2 weeks apart? You are the idiot, not George W. Bush. Why don’t you run for prez.,better yet, please don’t.

  8. GOPGG says:

    Uh Bob.. No went through the hurricane and was reporting it was not as bad as they thought. On Tues after the levee broke is when the disaster started. Shortly after he activated.

  9. ajjig says:

    People of all ilks and isms love to simplify and generalize. The subtleties and details seem to not interest them in the least. In our country celebrities love to grab a podium and wrap themselves in the agenda of various reactionary organizations who have more to gain from the “problem” than the “solution”. Kanye is just another.
    The guy’s not dumb and he is no Suge Knight. He just has bought into what young blacks have been hit over the head with for generations now: Everyone hates you because you are black. Any criticism you receive is based not on your actions, but on your skin color.
    The truth in my opinion is that there have been failures at every level in this situation. A black mayor and the black political structure of New Orleans included.
    My biggest question is, given that New Orleans is known to be a crime-ridden city, and given that most of its crime comes from the exact population that would not(for whatever reason, justified or not) evacuate the city, why were troops and or national guard not on the ground in anticipation of this lawlessness? They should have been in the surrounding area, ready to go in at the first opportunity.
    As an American, I believe we must help the people of Louisiana in this emergency. However, I will not suspend reality and what I already know, to cannonize the people who are looting, demanding this or that “now”, or raping and victimizing other refugees.
    Poverty is not a badge of honor. It is something to get out of. Kanye West would best serve the people he is speaking on behalf of, by espousing the work ethic and perseverence it took him to “make it out of poverty”. People who have been on welfare for generations don’t need another celebrity to make excuses for them. They already have liberal politicians and themselves to do that.

  10. FloridaPatty says:

    Excuse me but I didn’t see the National Gaurd from multiple states having to take over law enforecement in 2004.
    Hurricanes Charley and Francis had tracks that within weeks of eachother intersected paths in Osceola, Orange and Polk counties. These people were MONTHS without power and running water.
    It’s been less than a week.
    1993, response for FEMA was 6 days, Red Cross 5.
    I’m white.
    My hispanic brothers and sisters can remember 1992 and “tent city”.

  11. FloridaPatty says:

    As an American, I believe we must help the people of Louisiana in this emergency. However, I will not suspend reality and what I already know, to cannonize the people who are looting, demanding this or that “now”, or raping and victimizing other refugees.
    Poverty is not a badge of honor. It is something to get out of. Kanye West would best serve the people he is speaking on behalf of, by espousing the work ethic and perseverence it took him to “make it out of poverty”. People who have been on welfare for generations don’t need another celebrity to make excuses for them. They already have liberal politicians and themselves to do that.
    Posted by: ajjig | Sep 3, 2005 11:23:42 AM
    THANK YOU!

  12. LadyK says:

    I think that Kanye said what a lot of others were thinking. Yes, there are a percentage of looters and people doing wrong—- but in what city is that not happening in right now. Yes, there are bad people there, but the majority of those people are tax paying citizens and families who are starving/dying because we have proven to be inept in this situation. How could anyone ignore the FACTS that 300 people at the Ritz Carlton were saved yesterday by buses and the poor and minorities were left at the conference center(that they were told to evacuate to). The people at the Ritz at least had shelter and food, but what did the people at the conference center have— babies without formula, sitting in 90 degree weather, no medical treatment for the ill, living among feces and corpses, and no way out of the city. It’s terrible to even think that many people made it through the storm but died from lack of supplies in the most powerful country in the world. The determination of living and dying should not be based on having money or not- especially when the government is the one doing the rescue missions. I can guarantee if any of those people at the conference center would have been our presidents daughters— we wouldn’t even be having this debate. Another issue that we have is our level of preparedness (or lack of) and our ability to handle large scale disasters. The only good thing that has come out of this is that hopefully a cabinet member/organization will be designed to handle mass evacuations and natural emergencies, so this will not happen again in our country.

  13. abby says:

    Did you see Mike Meyer’s reaction? Classic live television moment…the random pairing of Mike Meyers and Kanye West is funny as well. I hope that they raised alot of money. God Bless New Orleans, we are going down to a shelter here in Dallas today to work with victims. We’ll all get there! Hang in there!

  14. ajjig says:

    Lady K
    I wouldn’t deny that there are INSTANCES of racism and classism: the Ritz situation, the AP captions of white “finders” and black “looters”.
    However, as you said about “bad people”, they are everywhere. I would not, based on these incidents, characterize what is going on in New Orleans as racism in action.
    And correct me if I’m wrong but, isn’t the mayor who had these tourists moved up to the front black?
    This city broke down a long time ago. It was the odd combination of a cesspool and cash cow. Any city with the crime, literacy and poverty rates of New Orleans is not a good place to be. I cringe when I hear people from there interviewed. I noticed that the older generations are actually easier to understand than the younger generation. What does that tell you?
    God help every last one of these people in New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama. I pray they all are able to get on their own two feet again. And I also pray that some of them do it for the first time.

  15. Jim says:

    It seems sad that FEMA had actually held exercises and drills to respond to such a disaster as this.
    Read this and be amazed at how FEMA can plan and practice… but still F* it up!
    From July 26, 2004!
    http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm
    NOTE: This is from a GOVERNMENT site and not some right or left bent idiot’s perceptions!
    How is it that the Department of Homeland Security was created to respond to disasters such as this, yet couldn’t! If we can’t deal with this, imagine the dreaded “dirty bomb” and how we will cope!

  16. ajjig says:

    Jim said
    “How is it that the Department of Homeland Security was created to respond to disasters such as this, yet couldn’t! If we can’t deal with this, imagine the dreaded “dirty bomb” and how we will cope!”
    Good question. It is truly scary to think of a scenario in which we were attacked with nukes or a dirty bomb. With our disorganized response organizations and the lawless character of many of our fellow citizens, it could be a nasty scene.

  17. \\\\CroSSBronXXPress//// says:

    Suge Knight shot HIMSELF in the leg a week ago…
    What at all does this have to do with Kanye Wests comment????
    NOTHING…
    Speaking of bringing up unrelated items …
    “Fuel storage facility explodes and burns in La.”
    …HERE COMES BUSH AND THE CAVALRY!!!!!!!

  18. bobup says:

    wirefox: Florida didn,t have 80% of a major city under 10 feet of water for what may be weeks, this disaster covers three states not just one but not urgent enough for Dubya to shorten his vacation a week, deep thought not one of your strong points huh

  19. FloridaPatty says:

    Condolezza Rice is an articulate, refined Afro-American woman because she was born into an envirornment that afforded her opportuniies to be successful. The sick perverted white man (his name eludes me) that so horribly killed little Jessica Lungsford in Florida was born into abject poverty.
    Check your references globetrotter. I am thisclose to this particular case. John Couey is a sexual preditor which has nothing to do with being born poor, rich or middle class.

  20. 007Scarlett says:

    When cooler heads prevail, they need to remember that the local government agencies in New Orleans waited two days before asking for Federal help, which was a logistical challenge at best. People also need to remember that the New Orleans natives were given ample chances to evacuate before this tragedy occurred. I heard someone remark yesterday that “if this had happened in white Florida, they would have received help right away.” Well, if this had happened in white Florida, we would have most likely NOT seen the looting, raping, murdering, and pillaging that prevented a lot of the help from reaching these people sooner. I love the “selective memory” of those who play the race card in everything they do. Do some research on Hurricane Andrew, and see how long those people waited for help. Even the “white affluent snowbird” population of the Emerald Coast has not fully recovered from Ivan. Many there are still living in FEMA trailers. Some of you should heed the words of Abraham Lincoln, “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” Shut up and get to work helping your fellow man, or get out of the way of those who are.

  21. FloridaPatty says:

    Ignorance does have a voice:
    I heard someone remark yesterday that “if this had happened in white Florida, they would have received help right away.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Oh for crying out loud. I think I have posted here no less than three times when we got hit there was a similar timeline for FEMA response and Red Cross. They don’t show up the next day!
    It was several days before we saw relief coming in. That’s why we have hurricane preparedness.
    Even I take bottled water to shelters. Just in case! Where did this mentality of government take care of ME come from?????
    Scarlett said:
    Well, if this had happened in white Florida, we would have most likely NOT seen the looting, raping, murdering, and pillaging that prevented a lot of the help from reaching these people sooner. I love the “selective memory”
    THANK YOU! We didn’t have this happen.
    These people screaming black prejudice have to be some of the most biggoted people I’ve seen in years.

  22. angelaberdine says:

    God help every last one of these people in New Orleans, Mississippi, and Alabama. I pray they all are able to get on their own two feet again. And I also pray that some of them do it for the first time.
    Posted by: ajjig | Sep 3, 2005 11:52:59 AM
    In other words, “let the dead bury the dead.” I agree with you there. Shed that cloak of dependence, pull yourself up by the boot straps and quit depending on Uncle Sugar to do everything.

  23. wirefox says:

    Bobup, no deep thoughts needed to see beyond what you are spouting, your political agenda. Of course everything is Bush’s fault. Please review your American Government textbook. It may help you understand the responsibility of the local, state, and federal branches of government. Also, read up on tent city 1992, Hurricane Andrew, it may enlighten you.

  24. angelaberdine says:

    Bobup, no deep thoughts needed to see beyond what you are spouting, your political agenda. Of course everything is Bush’s fault. Please review your American Government textbook. It may help you understand the responsibility of the local, state, and federal branches of government. Also, read up on tent city 1992, Hurricane Andrew, it may enlighten you.
    Posted by: wirefox | Sep 3, 2005 12:40:49 PM
    Bobup does not want to understand it. He probably feeds at the trough, and that would deny him that opportunity to wake up and smell the coffee, if he had to face facts.

  25. par3 says:

    I also think some people need to remember that the flooding in New Orleans is not a result of Katrina; it is a result of the levees breaking AFTER Katrina. Again, if anyone should have prepared for that, it should have been the LOCAL government, and the LOCAL EMA, not the Federal. Why would George Bush dispatch the National Guard from other states beforehand, when the hurricane never even hit New Orleans directly? He also did not dispatch them to Mississippi or Alabama, either. They also sustained damage, and some of those areas are predominantly white. There goes your race theory. There are people as far away as Birmingham, AL, and towns in Georgia that sustained flooding, and lost power, but which have resumed normal life without the help of the Federal government as peacekeeper. So, it’s not race, or some right-wing conspiracy…
    P.S. Mobile and Birmingham have large black populations, too. How about that, Jesse?

  26. Lady K says:

    There is not point in blaming others for this tragedy. Neither side will win. It doesn’t matter who suffered the most or who didn’t act fast enough. If you really want to be of help, maybe you should take in a family, donate some $$ or goods to the Red Cross, or go volunteer. Instead of having these debates that won’t result in anything productive, you should help out a person or family in need.

  27. 007Scarlett says:

    Some fool compared Condy Rice to John Evander Couey? OMG!!! John Couey is a pedophile. Pedophilia is a disease for which there is no cure or rehabilitation. It is not indiginous to poor people. John Couey could have been born into the Kennedy family; it would not matter. He is sick; beyond sick. He needs to die. Condoleeza Rice was born to a family who was originally poor, as all blacks in the South were, but who overcame poverty to succeed despite the obstacles their race and the social climate provided. There is absolutely no comparison. That is the most blatant example of twisted liberal rhetoric I have ever seen. May God have mercy on your soul.
    P.S. I have given money, and I am working in a shelter for the displaced families, so I can express my opinions here in my spare time if I choose to.

  28. anonymous says:

    What are you white people doing damage control??? We all know that he said is 100% accurate. Truth just hurts sometimes.

  29. anonymous says:

    What are you white people doing damage control??? We all know what he said is 100% accurate. Truth just hurts sometimes.

  30. ajjig says:

    “What are you white people doing damage control??? We all know what he said is 100% accurate. Truth just hurts sometimes.”
    Is that your argument? “Truth just hurts sometimes.”
    I have donated money while my wife has donated money and clothes and has even taken my daughter with her this morning to volunteer at neighborhood center that is collecting clothes, diapers, etc.
    Although I believe a large number of the people in New Orleans have brought a an unfair burden on rescue workers by not heeding the order to evacuate, I still believe we must help our fellow Americans, period. But please don’t make me listen to this “racism” garbage. Blacks who run that state have replaced the white “good old boy” system of mismanagement and corruption with a black one. And to what end? Are condtions better? The Jesse Jackson’s of the world should start educating, a la Bill Cosby, and stop profiting from the problems(real and manufactured) of American blacks. Is there anything more racist than what he is doing?
    There is still enough real racism in the world to worry about as it is. Let’s not run around trying to conjure it up at every opportunity. The best way to demolish it, is to WORK past it…although I have to admit, you’ll get more attention by sitting on your ass whining about it.

  31. 007Scarlett/par3 says:

    Anonymous:
    What I said was 100% accurate. If you can read, please research the facts regarding this situation, what was done for the people of New Orleans and when, before commenting again. By the way, I am black. HAHA!!!
    The people of N.O. were sent help immediately…they chose to shoot that help out of the sky, or rape and murder their help, and then that help gave up. That is not the fault of our president, who has a solid record of helping minorities. Get a clue before you embarrass us anymore.

  32. Cindi in PA says:

    I look forward to a debate! Problem is as Mark Twain said addressing a crowd in France,”They cannot even understand when I speak to them in their own language.
    There will be no debate. These clowns cannot debate working hard v. dependence on government hand outs. If they really desired to make things better for “their” people, they would have been out there making a difference. But no, they only cry “racism.” Give me a break. Many other nationalities in this country have been suppressed. Why is it, they could move on, make their life better but according to Jack$on and clowns, blacks are still being held back?
    They speak of unity, but they appeal to the worst in human nature by dividing Americans into dependent on government and those willing to try harder. They support freedom of thought, unless your thoughts don’t meet with theirs. They preach tolerance and promote intolerance. They resist open discussion and debate, unless it equals what they believe.
    Jackson supports abortion, “right to choose.” Tell me, how many of Jackson’s “people” have been murdered on that belief alone.
    The race card won’t work in this case, Americans are not going to buy it. Good work JESSE……..ANOTHER NOTCH IN THE DEMOCRATIC PLATFORM.
    ps; Jack$on paid for 5 buses to go to NO for evacuation, common Jess, 5 buses? Surly with your pocketbook you can afford to spend more for your “people”.

  33. Cindi in PA says:

    Get a clue before you embarrass us anymore.
    Posted by: 007Scarlett/par3 | Sep 3, 2005 1:34:07 PM
    ^5 Scarlett :)

  34. Cindi in PA says:

    “What are you white people doing damage control??? We all know what he said is 100% accurate. Truth just hurts sometimes.”
    Posted by: anonymous | Sep 3, 2005 1:05:47 PM
    You were able to understand him? lol

  35. Lady K says:

    Cindi that tone of “your” people and they isn’t helping. People who have never experienced racism and bigotry are always in denial that it even goes on. Some people would rather be blind and believe that every race has equal opportunity. But what about the terrible schools that are located in the inner city, with lower curriculms. It is possible to overcome poverty but it is a struggle and everyone doesn’t make it (but it’s not from lack of trying). Sociology term for you…the working poor-people who work more than 40 hours a week and are still below poverty level. Some poor people work harder than middle class workers. But to deny the fact that inequality still exists (not as bad and sometimes more covert) would be ignorant. But I guess if you can never understand the plight of other people, then you will never be able to see beyond just yourself.
    I don’t know if you know how much it cost to charter buses to to into that area, but it is expensive and especially for a minister of a non-profit organization. But 5 buses is better than nothing at all!
    I commend all of the people that are working day and night trying to rescue the people that are still in N.O. !!!

  36. ajjig says:

    As a Hispanic, what bothers me most about the LULACs and NAACPs of the world is their counter productive focus on the segments of minority populations who don’t want to do anything for themselves. This takes the focus off millions of Blacks and Hispanics who have WORKED to create a good life for themselves and their families.
    In every nation on earth, there is a group of people who do not wish to work their way out of poverty. Unfortunately, here in the U.S. it is quite PROFITABLE to keep them there and then take up their cause.

  37. ajjig says:

    Jesse Jackson, “non-profit”. LMFAO. That is without a doubt the funniest thing I have heard in weeks.

  38. brians2000 says:

    First I would like to say New Orleans knew this Hurricane was coming days before it hit. The day it hit Fox news showed people sitting in bars drinking and laughing saying the storm missed them. The next day the levee’s broke and their has been no coverage of people sitting in bars. New Orleans and the surrounding areas were run by black officials who failed to do their job yet Mayor Ray Nagin blamed President Bush and the Bush administration for not doing their job. Does Mayor Nagin think he got the job as Mayor to recieve a big paycheck only, and to pass anything bad that happens to New Orleans off to the Federal Government. If the Mayor would have done his job we would have less crime, better paying jobs, and an evacuation plan in case there was a hurricane or big fire. This Mayor should be kicked out of office but people like Jesse Jackson said this morning that he should be praised because he asked for assitance when he realized things had got out of his control. I beleive people should stop blaming the problem on racism for an entire breakdown of the New Orleans system. New Orleans was full of crime, poverty, children and adults were not educated yet they have no one to blame but themselves. Other areas were hit just as hard are harder than New Orleans by Hurricane Katrina and you do not see people just lying around waiting for the national guard to come in and save them. A great deal of these people sitting around have depended on the government from crandle to grave and they are not about to try to help themselves. The sad part about this is most of them do not know how to help themselves because they have never had to work or turn their hand to support their families. They have become so dependent on welfare without help they would continue to sit in the filthy surroundings until they died. Everyone needs to stop blaming the Federal government as well as the President for the life they have choosen. Brian

  39. junius says:

    Disaster prevention experts have been studying New Orleans for years and urging upgrades to its levees and other preventive measures. The Army Corps of Engineers was supposed to carry out some of this work last year, but its funding was cut.Thanks Mr. President.
    http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf
    Also Louisiana asked for help 4 days before Bush ended his vacation. What did he do during this time shop for shoes like Condie Rice?
    Michael Brown head of FEMA – admitted he didn’t know until Thursday that there were 15,000 desperate, dehydrated, hungry, angry, dying victims of Katrina in the New Orleans Convention Center. What doesn’t he watch the news? I guess Bush doesn’t either cause he said, “Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job.” Yeah that’s one of heck of job you’re doing there.

  40. adam says:

    Amazing that NBC would let a blackie on live TV, huh?
    All those dead niggers are making great alligator food, right?
    Here is why New Yorkers hate George Bush:
    http://stevegilliard.blogspot.com/2005/09/we-told-you-so.html
    He should be tried for murders.
    He has shown his incompetence very clearly.
    He cares about money and rich people more than anything else.

  41. Sam says:

    The people of New Orleans are hurting. Lets not make it a race issue or a President Bush issue. We have to face the fact that good and bad come in all colors.
    I believe the Mayor dropped the ball when he made it about USA government. It would have been so much better if he had had the school buses ready to go to start evacuating these folks both before the hurricane hit as well as after.
    I realize there are alot of poor folks who could not afford a bus ticket out of town so this would have been away of helping before. Maybe ask folks to bring toilet paper, soap, toothbrushes and a extra set of clothes.
    They should have tried to get them inland aways even though the storm did go up to 225 miles inland.They could have left the prisoners to fend for themselves.
    Just my honest opinion, Sam

  42. Cindi in PA says:

    Cindi that tone of “your” people and they isn’t helping. People who have never experienced racism and bigotry are always in denial that it even goes on. Some people would rather be blind and But what about the terrible schools that are located in the inner city, with lower curriculms. Posted by: Lady K | Sep 3, 2005 2:02:35 PM
    I believe that every race has equal opportunity. Some more than others. Have you ever sat down and paged through the many college scholarship books out there? More is available to “minorities” than anyone else. Minorities at some private colleges are given extra points for being so, even if both families come from the same area, same income level. My children had to work for any scholarship they received. Does that piss me off?
    Hell no, I have two nephews that are half mexican, I encourage them to take advantage of every opportunity for a higher education, I also stress to them the importance of being good citizens and working hard school.
    The term “your people” was set when Jesse boy and a few other raciest decided to again make this tragedy an issue of race. I went to school in the “inner city,” we all had the same opportunity to learn. I raised my children in a neighborhood with many races and nationalities. They went to private school for 9 years, with many minorities sitting in a desk next to them, many there on the goodness of our Pastor, who also thinks, we all deserve the same chance. More than 25% not even children of the parish religious denomination. My children have gone to date dances, proms with minorities, I do not make race an issue. My husband and I made the decision to raise children who know how to accept others for what they are, not the color of their skin. What they learned, they will tell you, the ones who do not take advantage of education, those that tag their self as suppressed, are the ones not going anywhere. That is a fact of life, like it or not. If encouraged at home, in the community, they will succeed. Five of the “black” boys, as Jesse and company like to describe them, graduated and took advantage of their education and are all starting their second year at colleges around the country. I can tell you this, none of their parents with the exception of one, has a pot to call their own. They still managed, with encouragement to find a way for their children to live a better life. That is what Jesse needs to center his attention on, showing people how to get over it, move on.
    In the year 2005, I refuse to take responsibility for any minority who still believes they are being suppressed. Women in this country were suppressed for a very long time, they managed to move on. I am of Irish/Spanish decent, we were discriminated against at one time. We moved on.
    What is it about moving on Jesse does not understand? Jack$on needs a soap box.
    Shame some blacks are still falling for it.

  43. ajjig says:

    All this DIRECT blaming of Bush(I didn’t vote for him,by the way) reminds me of when during the Lewinsky scandal, ultra conservatives tried to blame Clinton for everything under the sun with the exception of the JFK assassination. Same thing is going on now. I am not pleased with a ton of things Bush has done, however, between the streets of New Orleans and the White House, there are an awful lot of incompetent people, and disorganizations. To put this all at the feet of ONE person is comical.
    Judging by the pronouncements of reactionaries on the right and left, it”s too bad we can’t just ship Bush and Clinton off to the moon. Everything in this country would be perfect and the only problem would be that we no longer had anyone to blame when something bad happened in our own front yard.

  44. Cindi in PA says:

    They should have tried to get them inland aways even though the storm did go up to 225 miles inland.They could have left the prisoners to fend for themselves.
    Just my honest opinion, Sam
    Posted by: Sam | Sep 3, 2005 2:38:24 PM
    Yes Sam, that is a question that needs to be addressed in the near future. As for the prisoners fending for their selves? I do not agree, they are human beings also. I worked in a drug rehabilitaion facility for years, many of the friends I have today were at one time convicts. One of the biggest cons I ever met is now the director of the drug and alcohol commission in my county. My x husband was a convict, now very successful in life. All life is priceless.

  45. Cindi in PA says:

    Judging by the pronouncements of reactionaries on the right and left
    Posted by: ajjig | Sep 3, 2005 2:49:01 PM
    Amazing isn’t it? I voted for Clinton, not once but twice, I believed he had America in mind. Only to be dissapointed later on. I was raised to show the utmost respect for our President. It was ok to voice an opinion as long as you could back that opinion up. Today, I am trying to teach my kids the same. Just last night my youngest son said to me “are you glad you voted for Bush now”?
    The price of gas will soon be 5.00 a gallon. MY response,hell yes and come back tomorrow when you can back up what you are saying. Also told him to bring a plunger so I can flush his brain of his Liberal views lol.

  46. Lady K says:

    Cindi, you said you sent your kids to private schools and you lived in the “inner-city”. How many people who live in the inner city can afford private schools? Yes, some children are lacking parental guidance–but that’s when you hope they can at least get it at school. I was a teacher cadet at a school in the inner-city and the resources were slim and the teachers were burned out or lacking skills. The children that I helped were in the 6th grade, but couldn’t read as well as my sister in the 2nd grade (she lived in a better part of town and thus had a better education and better teachers). Do you think that is fair? In my county many good teachers refused to teach in certain areas of town. So therefore the schools can’t be equal and probably will never be (not even with the no-child left behind policy).
    I seriously doubt any minority person wants you to take responsibility for them, so please don’t (but I don’t think anyone is asking)!!!
    Just because you made it or moved on, do you really think everyone can? How can some people move on when institutional racism is still evident (explain that)—this has been studied over and over by many criminologist and sociologist, it really does occur whether you choose to believe people with PhD’s who have seen it first hand or not. You should read “The Rich Get Richer and the Poor Get Prison: Ideology, Class, and Criminal Justice by Jeffrey Reiman. There are people with issues and I am not going to judge them. If more people were educated and read up on topics, maybe they wouldn’t be so oblivious to our surroundings. But back to the matter at hand, why are people still at the SuperDome as we speak or at Charity Hospital?

  47. ajjig says:

    I teach in the inner city. I taught at one school that served the homeless poplulation in addition to its local population. I resent people assuming I am not very “skilled” or burned out since I teach in the city.
    Lady K, you sound like you’re talking “theory”. You really don’t have a clue. I am fortunate now to teach in a school where I get to see lower income Black and Hispanic students graduate and go on to good colleges. Sometimes even elite schools. There is one difference between the kids at my school and the kids in schools only blocks away. It is not their color, nor their inteligence. The difference is that the kids at my school have “working-poor” parents who make their child’s education a priority. Most of the problems in education, unlike what you implied, are not the teachers, or money. The problems tend to be ignorance, one parent households, grandmothers raising kids for their incarcerated daughters, poor parenting skills, undisciplined children, and a lack of good priorities.
    Money is only one aspect of education.
    I would rather not, but if I had to, I could teach a class full of kids without a single textbook. I am a good teacher, and I work along side a team of GREAT teachers. Most of them are black, then white, and a small number of Hispanics. No matter how good our teaching is, if the students do not receive good rearing at home, it is all for nothing.
    Money is not the be all end all. No amount of head starts, free meals, minority grants for schools, and any other type of government funding can take the place good parents.
    Stop making out the poor to be some mass of noble people, who have been denied opportunities at every turn, and are just waiting for their one chance to shine and excel. The truth is some of them are good people who would benefit from QUALITY educational programs on how to change their situations. Others just have a knack for making bad life decisions, i.e. drugs, early pregnancies, etc. and only want someone to fix everything for them, WIC, stamps, free housing, etc. And lastly, some of them are people who are not worth a Goddamned dime. You would be better served by light money on fire and pouring it into a bottomless pit, than giving it to them. Sad but true.
    Of course what do I know, I was once poor, and am now a low skilled, burn-out teacher who wants his students to work and think for themselves.

  48. Lady K says:

    But ajjig I do have a clue, I have written many scholarly papers, have a degree in this field, and have seen some of these situations with my own eyes. Ok ajjig you know your situation, but how about you read up on others before you think every school is like yours. I didn’t say teachers were burned out in the inner- cities, I was speaking of the teachers at the school I taught at. Of course there are bad parents (like I said already), but you at least hope that teachers can be motivators at school. Of course it’s not just the teachers (I never said that), there are a host of other problems that effect this problem. Some students only have teachers to encourage them. And when people hear someone make comments as Kanye has made, they are quick to say “Well i was poor” or other reasons why racism doesn’t exist. But your situation doesn’t reflect the entire nation!
    Finally the people at the hospital are rescued, but there are still 2000 still at the dome.
    I want to encourage everyone to give money, because these people still need some shelter after they get out of the city.

  49. Cindi in PA says:

    Cindi, you said you sent your kids to private schools and you lived in the “inner-city”. How many people who live in the inner city can afford private schools? Just because you made it or moved on, do you really think everyone can? How can some people move on when institutional racism
    is still evident (explain that)–
    Posted by: Lady K | Sep 3, 2005 3:20:06 PM
    What I said was, I went to inner-city. My children were raised in the suburbs. I also said 25% of the children in the private school my children attended were accepted without any type of tuition being paid. The teachers at the private school all made under 29.000 a year, all while living and working in one of the highest cost of living areas in our Country. These teachers were there because they had something to offer. At the time our kids were in school, we were living on one income, my husband worked 70 hours a week, to make a better life for our kids, he sure as hell didn’t come home after 40 hours and say, well I did my part. As the years moved on, ourincome increased by hard work, tuition became less and less because the children worked hard, because we taught them about hard work, and they were rewarded with lesser tuition the following years. That sure as hell did not happen without any hard work, on their part or ours.
    (Just because you made it or moved on, do you really think everyone can?) Yes as long as they have someone behind them to push and encourage.
    Shame on the community and the parents and the likes of Jesse, raising these children, who have no back bone or desire for their children to be more successful than they were.
    Until they learn to move on, Jesse will still have his soap box. And they will still be living in poverty.
    (If more people were educated and read up on topics, maybe they wouldn’t be so oblivious to our surroundings.) Do you always talk in circles?
    That is exactly what I said in several post above, however you still want to make this about race. Get over yourself. Even those that cannot read can be taught hard work, not hand outs.
    (But back to the matter at hand, why are people still at the SuperDome as we speak or at Charity Hospital?) That was not the matter at hand, the matter at hand was racism.
    They are still at Charity and the SuperDome because the governor and the mayor failed to act before hand. They had years to prepare this city/state for this disaster, they failed the people. Each and every state in this country is responsable for their own homeland security.

  50. ajjig says:

    I agree with you in that racism does exist, but not to the extent that it once did. I do not feel it should be ignored, it should be confronted. Nevertheless, I don’t think we are doing the youth a favor by seeing it in every nook and cranny. I can tell you that in teaching minority students, I have found that there is a certain level of “deprogramming” that you must go through with them before you can actually get them to think or realize that they are not powerless, but rather hold within themselves the keys to their success. I would liken this process to coming upon a person crouched in three feet of water, not willing to walk into deeper water because he/she has reached his limit, and then trying to convince them that they can stand and walk further.
    I cannot tell you how many of my students give the spectre of “racism” or “white people” almost God-like powers to hold them back. It is mind-boggling. I am not sure as to the parameters of your work or writings, but I will tell you that this phenomenon has a uniquely American character.
    I have noticed in my immigrant Hispanic students, that within just a few years in our system, they quickly take up the identity of “minority” or “disadvantaged” in a “White” world. In other words, upon arrival here they eventually learn to adopt an “underdog” identity. This greatly limits their capacity to dream and perform. This is my concern.
    I wish you luck in your work/writing, and urge you to look into the effect of what I described.

  51. Macker says:

    ajji: Racism must be confronted in a manner such that blacks quit calling each other ‘niggers’ They want us not to call them that, fine. But they have to step up to the plate too.’
    It is also absolutely despicable that the Mayor of New Orleans abdicated his job and his responsibilities to his citizens by calling on the Feds to be the “Be-All End-All Giant Government Tit” solution!
    And people like Jesse Jackson wonder why these people are still in poverty? It’s because AS A GROUP they refuse to take responsibility for their actions!

  52. Cindi in PA says:

    I have noticed in my immigrant Hispanic students, that within just a few years in our system, they quickly take up the identity of “minority” or “disadvantaged” in a “White” world. In other words, upon arrival here they eventually learn to adopt an “underdog” identity. This greatly limits their capacity to dream and perform. This is my concern.
    Posted by: ajjig | Sep 3, 2005 4:33:35 PM
    I noticed through the years, working at the schools with children, the minority of children from India thrived from the very beginning. They were more of a minority than anyone. The difference that I noticed, their parents desire to take the lead in their childs education. When my girls were in 8th grade, a father of one of these children, set up an online math program/study time with the children in the class.
    He encouraged them to be full time students, not just class room students. Some school districts in Texas have the highest achievement rate because they require and encourage the parents to take part in education.

  53. jolari says:

    2 men just on Foxnews-stated they want to play the race card-mentioned 3 parishes in LA outskirts of NO where people are dying on their rooftops waiting to be rescued-no help at all since the beginning–all victims are white
    Touchee

  54. Sean John says:

    While you guys are visiting http://www.kanyewest.com , listen to track #16 – Hey Mama. Its a great song!

  55. Selena says:

    It is not surprising that when you teach “minority” students that you feel you need to deprogram them prior to them learning.It is a cycle. How can a parent or parents teach a child to dream big when they have only small dreams or zero dreams? It is not possible. The cycle just continues. I commend anyone who is able to unlock the chains that continue from one generation to the next. I work with young people that are hopeless. It hurts my heart because many don’t have a sense of what being a “kid” is. They are so hopeless and have so many stressor already so early in life. Unless you live and walk in their shoes you will not understand. It is easy to spend time with them and then go to your comfort zone, but for many children – I repeat- the brief interaction with an educator that cares is their only HOPE. It really does take a village. GOD Bless the children who are victims of Hurricane Katrina and thank you all for the dialogue tonight.

  56. Jessica says:

    I am appalled at what was said by this “man” last night. I hesitate to call him a man, but I’m sure inappropriate language is not allowed. For him to turn a national telethon, a time to come together, to donate to this cause, to show our support, into some racial debate about how the government doesn’t care about black people and how we gave permission to shoot them? I’m sorry, but this man deserves to be fined, sued, and lose everything…if he’s even that popular…after the “comments” i went to his website, and his music SUCKS. Guess he had to do something to get his name out there. Anyway, to turn a tragedy into racial debate, to turn what is happening to AMERICANS into more racial slander (like we don’t hear it enough…are us white people ever going to get over paying for slavery, i mean, really, how much more taxpayer dollars have to go to paying their food stamp bills so they can afford their cell phone bills and manicured nails?) I’m the least racist person in the world, I have friends from all descents, and even my friends of color were HUMILIATED by this guy.
    New Orleans may be predominately black, but that doesn’t mean that any less effort was made. I think they did what they could with the resources we have. I think that the government did all it could, and does anyone think to ask why these people didn’t leave when it was a MANDATORY evacuation? Living in a place like that, you always need to have an evacuation plan. As far as I’m concerned, if you didn’t get out, it’s on you. Not that you deserve something bad to happen, but you have no cause to complain if you were unprepared…there was plenty of warning.
    And as a final thought, Kanye West is a pathetic artist with an immoral soul. This man deserves nothing but the very worst to happen to him after what he did.

  57. chris says:

    im 16 and let me tell you any of you who say race isnt a issue are as racist as they come. racism is an issue in how long it took for things to happen. but as the negro caucus said it has to do MORE WITH CLASS but there is a definite factor of race in their dont deny it either. yall some sick people

  58. In Rio de Janeiro says:

    The statements from The Black Congressional Caucus really sum it up perfectly. Nothing positive, no action plan, just blame and complaints mixed with racial overtones. Statements far more embarrassing and damaging that some idiot rapper’s comments.
    HEY BLACK AMERICA, LISTEN UP! The population of N.O. is 68% BLACK with a nearly all BLACK local government (obviously incompetent) and nearly all BLACK police force. IT IS A BLACK CITY. TOP TO BOTTOM.
    Did Bush or Whitey impede the local BLACK government and their BLACK mayor from planning, implementing and executing and effective evacuation plan? Did Bush or Whitely cause 60% of the local police to abandon their posts? Is Bush or Whitey murdering and raping your “brothers” and “sisters” in the Superdome or Convention Center? Is Bush or Whitey stopping the surrounding area BLACK churches and universities from adopting their “brothers” and “sisters” out of the shelters? Is Bush or Whitely stopping BLACK America as a population from coming together and helping out those they label as ‘their people?”
    HEY VOCAL BLACK AMERICA, SHOW US SOMETHING! Instead of blaming (yet again) all your problems and situations that don’t go your way on Whitey, why don’t you do something to show how truly unified you are as a people. Adopt some of these BLACK families into your BLACK homes. Show Whitey what you are really made of.
    Or will continue to be your own worse enemy? Shouting “Racism” while sitting at home, watching white volunteers on TV do something the help the situation.

  59. emily says:

    Dead on, Rio, family and then the locals are your first line of defense against annihilation. I don’t look to the Feds until well after those entities have failed me.
    Only the slobbering moonbats of victimhood blame anyone above that level.
    Just what has the local and state government of Louisiana been doing with their oil revenues all of theses years? It ain’t been reinforcing leeves which they were warned were inadequate.
    The buck stops at the Mayor and Govenors office, my friend. Playing the race card won’t work anymore.

  60. Bud says:

    I generally agree with you Rio, but there is some culpability on the part of the feds. C’mon. They (i.e., local, state and feds) knew this hurricane was going to take the local and state resources to the limit. Everone needs help at some point in their lives. Why Louisiana didn’t make that known early I have no idea.

  61. farmgirl says:

    Ok, now let me see..The Ten Commandants are only suggestions?
    hmmmmm

  62. mom4nra says:

    Rio–^5! You are right on! I saw on the news yesterday that there are going to be 10,000 jobs available for cleanup in N.O. Let’s see how many of the local apply for those jobs! Mayor Nagin should be the first to sign up and clean up the mess HE created! If he had well-thought out, proper disaster plan, his city wouldn’t be under water. I believe it has been since 1978 since N.O. had a white mayor and in that time, a plan for evacuation, disaster relief that began planning in 1965 has since been completed! I think Nagin knew what could happen and he did nothing PURPOSELY so if and when it did happen he could blame someone else for his failures. NAGIN IS A FAILURE!!!! HE IS THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE TRIED FOR MURDERING HIS CITIZENS!!! He failed his people by not preparing them and now he wants someone else to take the blame. Shame on him!! Step up to the plate you piece of $hit mayor and take responsibility for your actions before more innocent people of N.O. die!

  63. ohlalala says:

    This may make some people upset….
    This is not a racial issue. It could have been handled better, yes but it was inevitable, NO is below sealevel there is only so much you can do to save it from a storm this large. People were ordered to evacuate, if they didn’t, they were warned and now suffer the consequences, but we shoudl by all means be helping them, but what can we do when all of the people helping are being shot? My understanding is 90% of the population is black, therefore of course there are black people stuck there!
    I’m sick of SOME black people stereotypeing themselves! At the age of 16 I worked enough (at a Subway) to keep myself out of poverty (I made over the amount of $$ needed to be considered in poverty), If I can do it at 16, so can you! You can do it….be Proactive, stop using race as an excuse please, I have many black friends who I respect very much, I am not a racist. People come here from Brazil and Irleand and work 3 Jobs and provide for thier family…I dont get why some people(including white people) dont get off their a$$(scuse my language!)and make it for themselves. You have a great advantage in AMerica…..TAKE IT!

  64. ohlalala says:

    I also want to add I am NOT a conservative, I dislike Bush VERY MUCH. I did not vote for him, and greatly disagree with everything he does

  65. Eunice says:

    To Jessica:
    Just wanted to say that Kanye doesn’t need to get his name out there he is on the top of the charts. Go to Amazon.com and he is #1 at this time but anyway Kanye said what a lot of people were thinking.
    Whether is was the appropriate time or not is up for debate–I applaud Kanye for having the courage to stand up for what he believes–whether we agree with him or not.
    I think most people sugar coat things and he did not. So I applaud him for that.
    I think race was a factor and still is a factor in this whole thing but I will not point the finger at any particular person. Yet, I know that Bush is not as clueless as he seems; there is more than he can do.
    If not, why is he President?

  66. Eunice says:

    To Jessica:
    Just wanted to say that Kanye doesn’t need to get his name out there he is on the top of the charts. Go to Amazon.com and he is #1 at this time but anyway Kanye said what a lot of people were thinking.
    Whether is was the appropriate time or not is up for debate–I applaud Kanye for having the courage to stand up for what he believes–whether we agree with him or not.
    I think most people sugar coat things and he did not. So I applaud him for that.
    I think race was a factor and still is a factor in this whole thing but I will not point the finger at any particular person. Yet, I know that Bush is not as clueless as he seems; there is more than he can do.
    If not, why is he President?

  67. Angelo says:

    in some ways kanye west is right about races but not to that extreme. now if ure thinking im crazy or im african american then ure wrong. most high-in-power people are whiteand they dominate. unlike the few black leadrs, most whites dont care about the minority especially the african american people. if know one can figuire that out (im only 14) then your not living in reality! (off-topic) but Mike Myers did look confused.

  68. RJ says:

    Kanye can just sit down and shut up. The pure stupidity of things coming forth from his mouth just makes me laugh sometimes. Permission to shoot people? Govt doesn’t care about blacks? The US Govt created the AIDS virus to wipe out Africa? Oh, please…
    I’ve yet to see a report where people are being divided on looters and those seeking food by a matter of race. Just not happening.
    Govt doesn’t care about blacks? Bush did stuff early with his disaster declarations. He can’t call in the National Guard within the US unless asked by the state. Blanco waited for help. Nagin took rich tourists out of the city BEFORE those at both the Superdome AND the Convention Center. But Bush did act slower than expected. Brown from FEMA must be fired.
    Its sad to say that the slow hurricane relief is about race, considering that I’ve seen alot of people at the Superdome and Convention Center and on live rescues who were black, white, asian, and hispanic. Hell, there’s even foreign people STILL trapped in the city.
    The AIDS thing at LiveAid was horrible. If anyone subscribes to his theory (which is a takeoff of the so-called OPV AIDS Theory) it has been proven completely untrue. Besides, to say that AIDS was created to eliminate blacks fails to see that the first major group hit by the virus were gay white men!
    Kanye is simply an uneducated loudmouth fool who doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. He dropped out of school! Come on, his opinion doesn’t count for anything or shouldn’t because he’s simply uneducated and making up crap as he goes for publicity. I would say just ignore him and he’d go away but it won’t happen. Can we boycott him?

  69. Ramon Pooser says:

    Hello folks. I am a musician in the state of Georgia. I will try to put together a few things as I see them. For one, racism comes in many forms. In the state of Georgia many mortgage lenders came under fire for targeting black homeowners with home-refinance loans that exceeded 50 percent interest. When the people, who needed money but couldn’t afford traditional bank loans couldn’t keep up with the exorbant fees and monthly charges, their homes were foreclosed on. The homes are then re-sold to the highest bidder. This was modern day sharecropping, fixing people in need to unattainable standards to keep them in their plight, or worse.
    Why do I mention this? Because these struggling people make up the tax base of a particular state. Without them, a state can’t collect the revenues to run itself. Sales taxes are but a drop in the bucket. Primary revenues come from property taxes. Many programs proposed by the federal government help to give families an opportunity to own a home that wouldn’t otherwise be afforded to them, but then through the federal system the state is sustained by property tax collection. I doubt that many of the people of the state of Louisana are given the opportunity for home ownership. Most southern states make little or no provisions for this, in spite of the fact that it benefits them.
    Without more of this kind of money in it’s hip pocket, the city of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana had a choice. As the hurricane turned the “corner” at the tip of Florida and headed into the gulf at a snail’s pace and strength, all was well. Then the system strengthened, and continued it’s pace. Will the system hit Louisiana? Texas? Alabama? If the storm is to hit New Orleans the mayor with his city largely full of home ownerless citizens, must find money to get it’s residents out of the city. Evacuate, and receive a direct hit, and you’re a genius, on a par with Shindler from the hit movie. Evacuate with the storm dying out at sea and you’re left justifying the allocation of a lot of money for people that judging from the tone of many of the opinions on this site, and national response, nobody cares about. They gambled and lost. But FEMA and Homeland Security aren’t in the craps business, not according to this website memo from July 26, 2004-http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm
    So who dropped the ball? We all have opinions, as well as Kanye West. His should resonate longer, if he’s the talent that he’s purported to be. Artists such as Stevie Wonder have had long careers expressing both pleasure and displeasure with a variety of social ills, among other things. If Kanye is smart, I suppose he will do the same.
    Ramon Pooser

  70. Jess says:

    In response to your last commentator that Kanye West is an uneducated loud mouth, what do you think your president is? The only difference I can see is that Kanye might actually have something to say, while the later is a reformed coke head. If it was me voting and living in your god forsaken country( I’m a canadian with american cousins, and given the choice to live there or here, the choice is very clear)Mr. West would get my vote over “dubya” everytime. Like many others have said if this was white florida or Beverly hills the help couldnt have came fast enough, but because this is blacks, and the poor, and there’s no oil Mr. President doesnt give a crap. I see nothing wrong with Kanye’s comments as the reflect what alot of us are thinking at home and abroad.

  71. RJ says:

    Unlike Kanye, Bush went to school. Granted, he’s not the scholar or top of the class, but at least he went and graduated — twice! And if someone can go through drug rehab and he can’t then just look at your lovely hypocrisy. Anyone can change but him? Sit down.
    As far as “white florida”, one must remember that it took the govt about a week to get aid to the Andrew aftermath.
    And as far as Canada is concerned, we thank you for your help but we can just as easily criticize your very corrupt government you know.

  72. j says:

    So has everyone totally forgot that New Orleans has had it’s funding to upgrade their levee by 45% over around four years ago? and also general army reinforcement of the levee (sand bags and such) was cut by around 80%…this was mostly all while Bush has been in office…hmmmm…Also, this has been forewarned for years. I have to check my sources, but this very disaster had been predicted as the 2nd natural disaster most-likely to happen ever in late 90’s or something. You can’t just tell people to not live there, you gotta help protect themselves…I have been to New Orleans and the city is rich with culture and was a major trade route before the USA was formed…
    I think this bulk of this falls in bush’s lap. people trying to compare this to Florida is ludicrous, that hurricane wasn’t even as strong as Katrina…nore was it a big, poor, or a mostly minority city.
    If you think racism isn’t alive and well you are a ignorant and not even trying to open your eyes to racial issues. I’m not white, but I feel that there is no way a white person can empathize with any person of color. Constant images of people of color are being spoon fed to society and media that make me sick. YOU SHOULDN’T be tired of “blacks crying about racism”! How many minorities do you know as friends?… The amount of people that don’t know anything about the dynamics of skin color in the USA are staggering. We aren’t crying about race, we are telling you what’s wrong and ways to fix it. Yes, some may not have solutions…But, instead of asking for a solution from them make your own. Take off your rose colored glasses. Racism is taught (illogically or not) from birth I can understand how people can’t shake racism from their poisoned minds.
    RJ-
    So a reformed coke head that ‘some how’ got through college by his rich father is better than a college drop-out? Kanye isn’t totally uneducated and from the ghetto…most rappers aren’t. What he did was out of emotion, he has family down there…
    Also, why do we not have free health care? As one of the richest countries in the world shouldn’t we atleast have that?

  73. B says:

    I thought that was some pretty ignorant shit Kanye said. It’s bad enough that these people are going through this and that comment could be the beginning of a race war. You just don’t say things like that. Kanye if you feel that way then that’s fine but keep it to yourself. You’re a successful individual. You don’t want people to hate you. Keep it professional sometime. “Damn”!

  74. B says:

    I must say I agree & disagree. No, poverty should not be a badge of honor. I was once in poverty and I got out now soon I will be back in because I whom I married (a disabled man). The government has basically told us inorder for my husband to keep is medicare we must not make over 3,000 a month including my 401K. In order to hold our heads up high we are giving up his medicare for a better paying job. We wouldn’t want people saying “we want to be poor”. I don’t think celebrities are condoning poverty I think most realize that not everyone has a mommy and daddy to pay for everything not everyone can be donald trump. I say this if being poor is such a stain on America there should be no more fast food chains because even if you work there your still in the poverty bracket. And please don’t talk about the liberal politicians making excuses, because the conservatives ordered shoot to kill order. Each is wrong whether you burned the crosses and put or you had burning crosses on your lawn, whether your a red or blue state.
    I don’t think Kanye is will be held responsible for a race war to break out. Some concerned citizens were saying it from day one

  75. BP says:

    ooops didn’t realize there was someone with the same name (B). my comments were posted at 2:39:54 PM

  76. pure-truth says:

    i have to say that i was very pleased to come across this conversation about the kanye outburst. i am truly glad that someone has been noticing what’s been going on in the media regarding the portrayal of the people of the black race as hoodlums and vagabonds. i felt sad i went through the photos posted on the internet on the katrina aftermath it really did a lot at making a black person look obscene to society. i hope there are people willing to soften their hearts and allow the truth to sink in regardless of the pain or guilt it may cause, so that the birth of GOOD may come.

  77. RJ says:

    J: I didn’t say Bush was better than Kanye, not even really smarter. I am just more likely inclined to take Bush’s opinion more than Kanye’s. So what about emotion? I have family and friends down there too. I just don’t think race has a thing to do with the recovery.
    BUT, racism does exist. However, if one wants to be fair, let me PROPOSE this:
    For ever person rescued in NOLA, someone else’s rescue is foregone or put off by the authorities. This is irregardless of the delay by the local, state, and fed govt. What if both were black? Then you end up being choosy in who’s life you save. Is one more important than another? No, both are of equal value. But given the high attention to NOLA, there are minorities and others in remote areas of LA, MS, and AL NOT being rescued. Does that mean the rescue is still racist? No, because there’s no way possible to rescue everyone at once, but there is a way to get everyone out.
    So, again, is our relief effort racist? NO, not in the least bit. It’s just slow.

  78. StacRat says:

    You know, feeling sorry for someone, black, white, brown, pink(cause we all know we arent really white), whatever, is difficult when these people choose to life IN A LAKE BED SEVEN FEET BELOW SEA LEVEL. Lets look at this for a second. 1. They print warnings in local newspapers every year of what will happen if even a moderate storm PASSES the Gulf area, ie: massive flooding.
    2. They built levees to hold back water in case of this occuring 40 YEARS AGO, and hadnt bothered shoring them up or rebuilding them in said time.
    3. Even when a 4 point scale hurricane is spotted heading toward land, people refuse to leave and continue as though nothing is the matter.
    4. The whining started immediately after the levees broke and hasnt stopped.
    My apologies if I find it hard to sympathise. I too have lived through a flood. Anyone heard of the Red River Flood of 1997? Yah, I was one of the thousands of people sandbaging to help myself out. To give a picture of how bad it was: A 52 foot dike could not contain the river.
    PS I wasnt in Grand Forks, I was in Manitoba Canada, were the river reached a 7 kilometer width. Many lost homes, friends and family. I myself lost a good friend to the damn thing. Did I whine once while it happened? No, I buckled down and started working BEFORE the flood and continued after. People need to stop whining about misfortune and or racial issues and start DOING something.
    Bush or no Bush, the water is still there. Deal with it.

  79. cview says:

    wow you really have no heart just because you had to indure a flood. ok the people really did not know for a little while that the storm was comming to them. Apperently you dont watch the weather channel or know that hurricanes change. 2 days before the storm hit it was suppose to hit another area. The storm was suppose to come in 30 miles from my house. Even though I have lived through many Hurricanes, I guess i just have a heart for people and their problems. I cant believe people would sit here and not feel sorry for people who lost everything and are missing family members. There are many people who could not leave because they are living in poverty and have no cars so they had no way out and no where to go. Bush on the other hand is an idiot. I cant believe he would sit there and not do anything. Whoever said anything about Florida’s government doing all the work that is a lie he came and saw the areas himself and helped out. But i truly believe that was only because of many areas destroyed were white and because it was his brothers state. but you idiots would not know that would you? I cant believe you would say stop whining umm more people have lost lives then the damn flood come on now have a heart for people. I know people who are living almost fifty people to one house man if this county was not full of crap, if this would have happened to some white people so much money would have been raised and they would have been helped by the government. I find it ironic and pretty messed up how we can send money to help another country after the tsunami’s and we can send our troops to fight in a war that makes no kind of sense. but thats you dumb idiots putting bush back in office. The gas prices thats crap also. Kanye was right and anyone who cant see that is an idiot. So why dosen’t everyone just stop bitching about it all and help out the poor vicitims. But i guess this is still the white mans country huh is that why they have to suffer? I dont want to think like that so I try to think like this and may you sould also think like this if it was you that lost everything wouldn’t you want someone to help you. God Bless Help Out The Fellow Man

  80. StacRat says:

    Actually yes, now that I reconsider my brutish statements about the poor and oppressed people of FREE AMERICA, the land of OPPORTUNITY, I realize that when MY house washed away I should have sat on the corner, cried, bitched and moaned till the government came and made it all better. Oh, and as far as “There are many people who could not leave because they are living in poverty and have no cars so they had no way out and no where to go.” I guess we as FREE AMERICANS have gotten so lazy that we are incapable of WALKING anymore.
    You know, I seem to recall a time when our people actually had pride. Oh, did I forget to mention that I have both African American heritage as well as Creole blood courseing through my veins. And strength, so much so that when the british threw our asses out of Canada, we pulled ourselves together and made a new home. Nevermind that, imagine this, we actually managed to survive slavery, racial hate, ebonics and afros. Now we are to be done in because the guy who doesnt feel like working happens to be black? I live in Texas and you would think that here, if anywere, you would find racial bigotry. Only the funny thing is, the first time I thought of race being an issue in the last 4 years is when I heard of people in New Orleans crying racism. You may believe whatever you want, but I personally know several Mexicans, quite alot of African Americans and a whole lot of Asians who have much better jobs then me, will be able to send their children to college without haveing to work two jobs and have no problem meeting the needs of their families. Being poor and being black are two seperate issues. Being one does not predestine you to the other.
    Now to pick apart and destory.
    “wow you really have no heart just because you had to indure a flood.”
    Umm, not even touching this one. Rest in peace Jerry. Word to his family. RRF97 yo, never forget.
    “There are many people who could not leave because they are living in poverty and have no cars so they had no way out and no where to go.”
    I guess walking was out of the question.
    “Bush on the other hand is an idiot.”
    And Kerry isnt?
    “I cant believe you would say stop whining umm more people have lost lives then the damn flood come on now have a heart for people.”
    Ok, obviously you didnt understand the meaning of my earlier statement. There is a time to voice a valid complaint and then theirs whining. The load of crap about no help because its a predominatly black community is whining. Grieveing about lost loved ones is perfectly acceptable. RIP Jerry. Oh, yah, then theres the fact that they had 4 DAYS to evacuate before the storm hit, many refused to do so. (go figure)
    “I know people who are living almost fifty people to one house man if this county was not full of crap, if this would have happened to some white people so much money would have been raised and they would have been helped by the government.”
    I guess my two uncles and my cousin shipping water and ice to louisianna and being payed by the government to do so isnt help eh? Were is the private sector in all this EH? Oh yah, 10 BILLION on Bushes part and a measly 250,000 in my home town alone. As well as accepting the evacuees that actually were smart enough to leave when they were told too.
    “I find it ironic and pretty messed up how we can send money to help another country after the tsunami’s…”
    Hmm, good point.
    “and we can send our troops to fight in a war that makes no kind of sense.”
    Wait now, dont the Iraqi’s deserve democracy too? Or do only African Americans deserve freedom.
    “but thats you dumb idiots putting bush back in office…”
    Like I said, Kerry would be better?
    “The gas prices thats crap also…”
    Alrighty, now your just lookin for something else to lash out at.
    “Kanye was right and anyone who cant see that is an idiot.”
    Kanye drives a bentley because Kanye worked his ass off to get a bentley. On the other hand, he knows how to gain massive favor in the eyes of his biggest fan base too. Perhaps he’s just a good business man. Hmm.
    “So why dosen’t everyone just stop bitching about it all and help out the poor vicitims.”
    I believe thats a restatement of my last few lines:
    “People need to stop whining about misfortune and or racial issues and start DOING something.
    Bush or no Bush, the water is still there. Deal with it.”
    “But i guess this is still the white mans country huh is that why they have to suffer?”
    Nope, they have to suffer because they decided to stay after evacuactions were recommended, as well as they chose to live IN A LAKE BED, SEVEN FEET BELOW SEA LEVEL.
    “I dont want to think like that”
    Then why are you promoteing the continued perception of the oppressed black man. Those times are over, deal with it. You cant blame everything on the white man anymore, you have to take responsibility and actually get a DAMN JOB.
    “so I try to think like this and may you sould also think like this if it was you that lost everything…”
    R.I.P Jerry. Nuff said.

  81. Anti-ignorance says:

    I have been saddened by the comments you racist, uncaring, Bush supporters have made. If any of you do believe in God, do know that regardless of what I say or anyone else for that matter YOU will have to answer to Him in the end. Your comments show that racism does continue to exist, you’ve called people lazy and everything else without knowing these people or their experiences, your comments are based primarily on the fact that they are black and poor. There are people who work multiple jobs while raising a family and are still poor. And, please understand that while there is a large percentage of blacks who are impoverished the overwhelming majority of “government leeches” in this country are white women. Many are pointing fingers at black leadership in New Orleans when the potential threat of the levees breaking were there before black leadership, give me a break! I’m glad you all would like to think that you have gotten to where you are in life due to sheer “hard work.”
    Whites do not understand the experiences of Blacks in America nor do you try to and I don’t expect you to start now, maybe we will finally get somewhere when you get out of your White bubble and really learn about and validate the experiences of others. Unless you’ve been black and poor you can’t say what these people could have or should have done or didn’t do. Race and class are inextricably linked in this country, has anyone considered that housing for the poorer people was the furthest below sea level and they all just happen to be black!!!! The poorer you are the less likely it is for you to be able to afford housing in a safe place whether it is violence ridden or below sea-level. For the person asking what’s wrong with “Walking”, have you ever had to walk to safety in a hurricane? These comments are ludicrous. I pray for not only the victims of the hurricane, but those of you who are breeding ignorance as well.

  82. RJ says:

    Anti-ignorance: Racism begets racism and calling whites racists keeps it going. Try and take the high road or is that even possible? Probably not.
    I grew up WHITE and poor. Don’t tell me that class and race are intertwined. I’ve been in the welfare lines. I’ve lived in poverty. I’ve seen my family take 2, sometimes 3, jobs to put food on the table. It took hard work for me to be the only person in my family to go through college.
    I pray for you, too because you obviously hurt and are lashing out. Don’t be like the racists, but you’re getting close to it. Validation of a problem doesn’t solve it. Neither does tolerance.
    BTW, the NOLA residents aren’t lazy. They suffer from a lack of very horrible leadership at multiple levels of the system.

  83. Betty says:

    THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO GET IT TOGETHER!!

  84. lolita says:

    I think there is a major issue in the States regarding segregation and education. This has come to light for all the world to see. It absolutely disgusting that this had to happen for people to realize the problems within their country. Regarding poverty, my parents know about poverty, because they came to North America with only a small luggage in their hand, not speaking a word of english. They in turn made a fantastic life for themselves and for us, their children, with respect, pride,honor and hard work. The issue here is that people need to stop pointing fingers at each other, and lay blame on others for their unfortunate state, but to make a POSITIVE difference with themselves and with others. The government cannot help you with this, you need to find it within yourselves.

  85. irok2badusuk says:

    Bush means well. He cares about the people. But he’s incompetent. These qualities might be ok if he was working at a 7-11 but they are not ok when one’s job is president. Thanks to Kanye West for broaching a subject (however inarticulately) that requires more discussion. The Bush administration wonders why all those black people didn’t just throw a case of Evian into their range rovers and drive to their summer homes. There is a lack of understanding in the current administration that is bordering on criminal.

  86. Joe says:

    All I have to say is that it is a real shame that Kanye West chose himself to be the spokesperson for the African American race on national television. If he wanted to make a real statement against the governemnt and media he could have at least tried to sound half-way intelligent instead of the bumbling fool that he came across as. He looked like a nervous third grader trying to give a book report in front of his classmates. For someone in his profession that is used to performing live in front of cameras and crowds of people I would expect better. Hell, I think Mike Tyson could have done a better job!

  87. jane says:

    i have never heard of this rapper because i dont listen to that music kanye west let everyone down he made mike myers look bad and chris also kanye needs to give all his money to all those poor black people in lou. stop making excuses for being black how many more years are you going to make excuses for black people that have always relied on the welfare i dont see other races making excuse a hispanic man will go out and work a black person is crying i dont want to work i want it put in my hands because im black kanye does not want peace in the world he wants war among people

  88. moosetracks says:

    The Democrats idea of people on welfare is being good to them, is only destroying them.
    The able bodied, young and older, need to be educated. If they will not stay in school, they need to be put in a reform school type of system.
    They need to be self-reliant, not rely on government handouts. To the Democrat Party, freebies = votes.
    They have not demanded enough from their voters, to enable them to further their education and good/better jobs, for their dignity.
    The young that only listen to rappers and talk like them, only hurt themselves to gain a better life…who would hire someone who talks like a rapper?
    It’s time they listen to Bill Cosby.
    According to a newspaper in Tallahassee, workers and Jeb Bush offered to Mississippi and Louisiana, help to evacuate before the storm hit..they refused help.
    Louisiana Gov. has been upset with the N.O. mayor because he didn’t support her when she was running for office….”he will have hell to pay.” she reportedly said.
    2000 School buses underwater, cause the Mayor wanted Greyhound buses! Costing the lives of nursing home patients.
    This storm has uncovered more than just the devastation of a town.

  89. ! says:

    Some of these people wake up everyday and spend the whole day trying to figure out how they further milk the system. They do not want work.
    Thats a damn fact. Some of the women have been taught the more kids they have to larger the welfare check they can get and the more wick and foodstamps they can get.
    Its shameless !!

  90. ! says:

    Posted by: ohlalala | Sep 4, 2005 1:52:52 PM
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    Ask me if i care you idiot !!

  91. ! says:

    Kanye West does not care about “White people” !

  92. B.J. says:

    You white folks is just as hateful and deviish as you was in slavery! You need to go some where and burn!!!!!!!!
    If George Bush had not taken the money from the enviromentalist when he first went into office this shit would not be going on. If the country believed in taking care of its black Americans like its illegal Mexicans it would not be going on. So you hateful ass white folks can shut up cause it was not for your mistreatment of black folk in slavery you would not have a AMERICA. You stole it from the Indians and the black folk built it up. You aint done shit but hate like you still do.

  93. absynth_minded says:

    You all desperately need some “Prussian Blue” in your life ;)

  94. absynth_minded says:

    Shit, if I woulda known we were throwing a party I would have brought balloons or chips or something….