More MSM Propaganda Exposed

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August 1, 2006

There’s a story just starting to make the rounds of the MSM outlets – that Israel is targeting ambulances. You can find it mentioned in the New York Times, the Guardian and several more outlets. But it appears our friends from … wait for it, that’s right, Qana, may be up to some new tricks.

The story goes that the Israeli’s struck two ambulances, injuring nine people, severing one man’s leg. There’s only one problem; it looks as though it isn’t true.

Look at this:

Another medic fumbled for the radio and began: "We have an accident …" He didn’t finish the sentence. A second missile smashed into the ambulance behind them. "When we were driving in the ambulance before, we did not feel we are safe 100 per cent," Mr Chaalan told the Los Angeles Times from hospital on Monday. "But now it’s direct on us."

Unfortunately for Mr. Chaalan, it’s doubtful the second ambulance exists and his ambulance wasn’t struck by a missile at all.

A Lebanese Red Cross ambulance worker peers from the roof top of an ambulance that was bombed, at the Red Cross station in Tyre, south Lebanon, August 1, 2006. The ambulance was hit on July 26 during an Israeli air raid

It seems when he first told the story, there was only one ambulance and the alleged missile strike took place on the 23. And that’s also what he told the Red Cross, though the second ambulance was added.

"The night of July 23 we were called to rescue a family whose home was bombed," Kassem Shaulan, a 28-year-old medic with the Lebanese Red Cross in Tyre told IPS. "Just as I finished loading the three injured people in my ambulance, it was struck by a rocket and all of us were injured."

The ambulance, now parked outside of the Red Cross headquarters in this coastal city, had a hole through the centre of the red cross painted on its roof. The inside was heavily damaged and pieces of the metal frame of the van hung limply, riddled with shrapnel holes.

The Red Cross worker had several wounds on his body, and stitches on his chin and leg. He said he could not hear very well any more.

"There was an old man on a stretcher in the ambulance who lost his leg from the bomb," Shaulan said. "And a child with us is now in coma. The third person is critically injured."

So, why add this second mysterious ambulance? Because there’s photographic evidence such a strike never took place. The image at right above is one circulating showing the alleged missile strike at 300x magnification. Does that look like a missile strike to you? Or did someone simply remove the blue flashing light casing that should be there? But there’s more.

Click here for a large blow up of the inside of the ambulance. It seems the missile that allegedly hit the van from above never managed to get inside. There is no hole in the floor, though someone was smart enough to pile up some rubbish where it should be. But there’s also another problem. From the accounts, there was a man lying on one of the built in gurneys pictured – his leg severed by the missile. So how is it that neither gurney shows any damage at all? What was this, laser surgery? And still there’s much more, please read it all.

Windshield The roof of the ambulance is caved but the floor and side board are perfectly flat. The driver said there was a huge explosion and a fire, I couldn’t tell it from the image of the inside of the van, can you? And in the image at left you’ll see that the windshield caved in. There’s no way that would happen from an explosion where it is alleged to have taken place. And in the large image linked above, note the complete absence of any glass at all inside the van from the many side windows – not one shred of glass at all. That’s likely because it was removed months ago.

Also, inside the van – no smoke damage at all. There is no discoloration, but we’re supposed to believe that the ordinance exploded in there while the van was closed? No singe marks on anything, nothing. There’s no way this adds up to an explosion and fire as the driver stated. Not to mention not a visible drop of blood from what is described as a severe wound taking off part of a man’s leg and injuring two others.

Now click on this link to see the van from the top front right in a MSM piece. This incident is alleged to have just happened, but there are several gouges which don’t appear related to any missile and they are all extremely old, as they are completely surrounded with rust. Here the picture is brightened, hiding the rust.

Thanks to of all places, aljazeera, I submit that this is the van in question, one in which someone planted a bomb back in June.

Initial reports suggested the explosion occurred when the driver of the ambulance was inspecting the vehicle.

But eyewitnesses later said that a device exploded when the driver had tried to turn on the ignition of the ambulance.

Jihad Halaweh, the ambulance driver was struck in the stomach and feet when the blast went off.

The ambulance, which bore the Hizb Allah insignia was also badly damaged.

Hizb Allah, a Shi’a Muslim group backed by Syria and Iran, is largely credited with driving Israeli troops from southern Lebanon in May 2000.

The image being shopped around with the story by the MSM is of this van:

The ambulance, now parked outside of the Red Cross headquarters in this coastal city, had a hole through the centre of the red cross painted on its roof. The inside was heavily damaged and pieces of the metal frame of the van hung limply, riddled with shrapnel holes.

Unfortunately for the propagandists, an Indymedia story actually published the image of the entire van

Here are all the Red Cross bulletins from the region, they barely mention the van incident. I doubt they believe it themselves. But Time sure loved the story. The Boston Globe made four stories out of it. It’s even a Yahoo favorite photo.

Update: Some might say another conspiracy theory. Really? While it’s linked above, read this, you’ll see he claims to have been dispatched to a home. There is nothing about meeting another ambulance, as other versions claim. And why would he make this statement:

As a Red Cross volunteer I need to be very clear that we are not political — we rescue anyone who needs help," the 32-year-old Zatar told IPS. As a colleague unloaded bodies from bloody stretchers, Zatar said "whether they are civilian, a resistance fighter or an Israeli soldier, our policy is to help any human who needs help. But the Israelis seem to be attacking us now."

No, he’s not political. Not much. So why the different versions of the story then? It doesn’t add up. In one version:

A middle-aged man lost his leg, his mother was partly paralysed, and shrapnel pierced a little boy’s head.

In another:

Mr Fawaz was unconscious after losing one leg, and suffering severe fractures to the other. His son had lost part of a foot

In one story the elderly woman is critical, in another she’s unscathed.

An elderly woman patient was relatively unscathed,….

Google different versions, you’ll find him inside the ambulance giving an IV in one version, but all of the medics standing outside in another. Maybe he should make up his non-political mind.

But just like with the story from Qana … see lgf – the AP will probably just give themselves more rewards.

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Comments:
  1. mylena says:

    Dan, I know your side, and that’s what it is. Math. have different solutions, so tjee is it so hard to get to a compromise. Everyone seems to be so F hardheaded nowaydays.
    and for all the staging and the whatever, media is in the war zones and they do know where they are talking about (ask any photographer, cameraman, interviewer) and IF this was stages it would have been IN the news (CNN, FOX, whatever) Why can’t people just SAY that in wartime people were killed, please do, otherwise you are this Iranian president who says the Jews were never killed, it was STAGED. please THINK….

  2. Nancy says:

    The Great Double Standard…
    Edward Morrissey in the SF Examiner:
    All of this hand-wringing has a rational point. We want to see civilians spared the horrors of war, and we push combatants to take all possible steps to achieve that end. The Geneva Conventions have that explicit mandate, and the world should remain constantly — and consistently — vigilant.
    Unfortunately, the global community has failed miserably at this task, and this war not only highlights that failure, but springs from it. While the world holds Israel to this standard, things become curiously silent when it’s time to hold Hezbollah responsible for its conduct of war. Hardly a word has escaped from the U.N. or Europe on the 2,500 missiles that have rained down upon Israeli civilians, deliberately targeted by Hezbollah. Those attacks have displaced more than 300,000 civilians, a fact the global community and the mainstream media ignore.
    Those who argue that Israel has occasionally violated the Geneva Conventions in its attacks casually ignore the blatant violations of Hezbollah, whose combatants wear no uniform, deliberately hide in civilian populations and fire weapons from residential areas. Hezbollah conducts none of its operations within the rules of war — and yet world leaders and the media never mention it.
    Why? Because no one expects terrorists to follow the rules. This is the soft nihilism of low expectations.
    Go read the whole thing.
    http://www.examiner.com/a-201482~Edward_Morrissey__This_is_the_soft_nihilism_of_low_expectations.html

  3. Forward to Bekaa Valley, back to Qana

    The Counterterrorism Blog examines the IDF’s expansion of the ground campaign in Lebanon. Meantime, the IAF is increasing activity in the Bekaa Valley, where Hezbollah and their Syrian and Iranian backers have amassed power. Rick Moran: The Lebanese ha…

  4. old trooper says:

    Nancy, You are correct.
    Combatants not wearing uniforms, GUERILLAS, are entitled to nothing under the Geneva Conventions, All of Them!
    Islamic Nations and Third World Countries NEVER observe the Gen Conventions, nor do they give a fat rat`s ass about any UN Resolutions. They NEVER Honor any signed agreements or Treaties either.
    Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Al Queda play the Media and the UN like a cheap kazoo! Not an Honest Broker amongst any them!
    Hezbollah reports No Casualties, they only report “Civilian Casualties” and turn the death of locals that were never allowed to flee the Zone into Media Event “Atrocities”. No Uniforms…No Casualties accountable as Hezbollah Thugs!
    It is how they wage war. They hide in the neighborhoods, stock munitions in the neighborhood and could care less about women and children.
    Welcome to the Global War on Terrorism. Ugly Business for sure!
    Thanks for your thoughts and the link.

  5. Once these stories get put out there and outrage builds, facts go out the window.
    I’ve had commenters at Mike’s America convinced that Israelis purposely target ambulances and refuse to even consider that it might not be true, or that there are alternate explanations for what happened.
    But here we are, a video from Gaza showing Hamas using Ambulances with UN markings to evacuate uninjured fighters away from the scene of an attack:

    Finally, should anyone be surprised that the Islamo fanatics would lie about Israeli atrocities? After all, they feel commanded from God to kill, cheat and steal from the infidel.

  6. Dusty says:

    It’s a vehicle that was hit by a missile. That’s what is claimed and reported.
    So I ask myself, does that vehicle look anything like those vehicles so easily accessible for comparison in the archives of LGF under the search words “car swarm”?
    These Hezballiwood executive producers should import their missile struck vehicles from Gaza. They have a lot of them and they are so much better than the locally made replicas.
    Nice job, Dan.

  7. “Israeli Strikes On Qana Ambulances” MSM Stories Look Fake, Too

    Dan’s story is kind of involved, with discrepancies and suddenly disappearing and reappearing second ambulances, but just check the photos. Missile strike? By one of those special safety non-flammable missiles those crafty Jews like to use?…

  8. old trooper says:

    *Hey Dusty* …there is a learning curve amongst Thugs. Hamas has transported ordinance and munitions in ambulances for quite a long while. The only real problem with that practice is the secondary explosions that result from the initial impact.
    Technical Superiority, there is No Substitute! Gun Camera footage is priceless!

  9. Weeble says:

    Have a look at the roof of ambulance 171 in this photo from the lebanese redcross youth site. http://www.redcross.org.lb/youth/images/centers%20photo%20gallery/spears%20iftar2.jpg
    Whatever that red dome is it’s almost exactly the same size as the ‘missile’ hole.

  10. More Propaganda

    News agencies say the Qana photos were not staged. The article is lame and reads like the email of a supervisor who isn’t sure if their subordinate did …

  11. Nancy says:

    These are some good articles well worth the read. All about Hezbollah.
    Jeff Goldberg did a two part series on them in Lebanon a few years back.
    Fasten your seat belts all. Kinda Scarry and even more scarry for
    Israel. I do not know the answer but I do no something has got to give throughout
    the world with these groups of murderers & thugs. This people are truley eat up
    with a brain disease. No doubt about it.
    http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/021014fa_fact4
    http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?021028fa_fact2
    http://www.newyorker.com/online/content/?021014on_onlineonly01
    http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/lebanon/links.html
    http://www.parapundit.com/archives/000531.html
    http://www.ujc.org/content_display.html?ArticleID=63594

  12. JunkYardBlog says:

    Hezbollah Drawing the Foul

    Last night I talked to a friend and he said, let me ask you something. Do you believe absolutely anything being reported from Lebanon these days? I mean, not that Israel hasnt killed some civilians in the fighting, but that…

  13. Scrapiron says:

    I’ve rode thousands of miles in an ambulance hauling patients and this is the most phony photo’s the antique MSM has published in a long time. That ambulance judging from all the rust on the top has been in a junkyard for years and was dragged out (the only clean things are the fresh made cots, at least one of the phonies had a small portion of a brain) for the photo op. Has the antique MSM got a story correct in the past 10 years? I doubt it and I sure don’t remember one. And they wonder why they are losing viewers and readers by the thousands. Even the most stupid liberal (all are stupid to a degree) will catch on eventually that they are being lied to, I think???

  14. Pixy Misa says:

    Scrapiron – bingo! The thing hasn’t been mangled the way a missile would, it’s been stripped.

  15. Stephen says:

    I clicked on some of the links to other photos of the van in question, and the pics seem to have been removed. It looks like the clean-up is in full swing!

  16. Web Reconnaissance for 08/02/2006

    A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention.

  17. Old War Dogs says:

    Dan Riehl: More MSM Propaganda Exposed

    There’s a story just starting to make the rounds of the MSM outlets – that Israel is targeting ambulances. You can find it mentioned in the New York Times, the Guardian and several more outlets. But it appears our friends

  18. xxx says:

    Hey guys, it looks the Pentagon says there is evidence supporting that civilians were murdered at Haditha.
    Was the Pentagon spokesman a MSM invention, a fraud, is the military now in on the conspiracy to falsely accuse our troops of atrocities?
    Or, maybe, just maybe, the soldiers really did murder some Iraqi civilians, just like they said.
    Maybe, just maybe you all are NUT JOBS and appeasers of the worst kind, willingly looking away from anything wrong that our own troops do and refusing to believe it because that would god forbid, give some humanity to the other side and we can’t have that.
    I can’t wait to see how Dan spins this lastest story, complete with a quote from a US soldier who says he was there, says he told them point blank what they were doing was murder and was later threatened with death if he didn’t keep his mouth shut.
    Maybe this soldier is another manchurian candidate programed by the muslims.

  19. Gekkobear says:

    Well xxx I don’t know what happened. I wasn’t there, and I don’t have the evidence that is being used for either Prosecution or Defense.
    But apparantly the nutjobs on the right are sure it was not Marines killing innocents. Ok, I’ll accept that statement.
    And apparantly nutjobs on the left are postiive it was Marines killing innocents. Is this an unfair statement?
    We in agreement so far? Nutjob = person making conclusive statement with no facts? Ok, so why is Congressman Murtha one of your nutjobs? Does the left regularly elect nutjobs to high office?
    I’m willing to wait for the facts, and hope that our troops didn’t commit crimes. I can’t imagine why you’re willing to hope our troops did commit crimes, but I suppose that something for you to deal with.
    I don’t think I’d be happy hoping for a mass murder to score some political points but if thats where you want to be, enjoy your “high moral ground” of hoping for crimes against civilians.

  20. xxx says:

    The truth is the truth.
    No one wants our troops to be mass murdering Iraqi civilians, but pretending it didnt’ happen, it couldn’t have happened, it is all a muslim/left wing LIE to help our enemies defeat us is INSANE. INSANE.
    If our troops have committed these atrocities then WE have to admit it and punish it and institute some better training and field directions so it doesn’t happen.
    If Murtha was right and his information was correct, how did he do anything wrong? Because he called out the military?
    Dan is an apologist for anything and everything that does or might show that the ‘other side’ has any legitimate grievances or that ‘our side’ ever does or has done anything wrong.
    That’s why he thinks Haditha was a lie, that’s why he thinks Hezbollah killed all these Lebanese civilians and not Israel, that’s why he thinks former military officers who speawk out against our massive failure to manage the The Iraq invasion on any level are traitors and should keep their mouths shut.
    Those that don’t study history are doomed to repeat it. Those that cannot admit mistakes can never learn from them or improve. Meet George W. Bush, Dan Riehl and the rest of the neocons who have never and will never let facts get in the way of their vision and ideology.

  21. jummy says:

    xxx, the original haditha allegations were delivered by “unnamed pentagon sources” via murtha. probably the same “source”, don’t you think?
    the actual source is an insurgent-connected stringer offering only verbal testimony alongsie videos of boies showing no bullet wounds to the heads or chests.
    in the meantime, one of the accuse intends to prosecute murtha for libel.

  22. jummy says:

    xxx, why are you afraid of having these things questioned?

  23. xxx says:

    Questioned? Is that what you call the character assassination against Murtha? The inane ‘facts’ used to justify the idea that it was a hoax? It’s nuts, its like being a holocaust denier or saying the moon landing was faked.
    The media quotes unnamed sources all the time, that is how they get scoops and also how officials get out information without putting their name on it. The unnamed source benefit runs both ways, for the reporter and for the administration or official or agency.
    Do you honestly believe that AP and the New York Times would print that a Pentagon official told them the investigation supported the allegations if there was no official? Do you think a Pentagon official would lie about something like that?
    No. A reasonable person would thus conclude that when and if the report is released it is going to say that evidence supports the charges.

  24. Henrik Krog says:

    Im not putting it past Hezbollah to lie themselves to another propaganda coup, but the al Jazeera story you link to, telling about a bomb in an ambulance back in June is from 2003…….
    Henrik

  25. jummy says:

    do i believe that journalists and “unnamed sources collaborate to pass wholly false stories?
    of course. they have and do.
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/02/tailwind.johnson/
    “Cable News Network on Thursday retracted its story that the U.S. military used nerve gas in a mission to kill American defectors in Laos during the Vietnam War.
    “In a statement, CNN News Group Chairman, President and CEO Tom Johnson said an independent investigation had concluded that the report “cannot be supported.” He said there is insufficient evidence that sarin or any other deadly gas was used. Nor, said Johnson, can CNN confirm that American defectors were targeted or at the camp as the report stated.”
    the correcting of a smear is not itself a smear. in this case, it will take the form of libel and defamnation proceedings:
    “The suit maintains that Pentagon officials “who have briefed or leaked information to Mr. Murtha deliberately provided him with inaccurate and false information” and that the congressman subsequently “has made repeated statements …. that are defamatory” to Wuterich and his fellow Marines.”
    at least they aren’t falsely accusing murtha of murdering women and chilrewn in cold blood. that might qualify as a “smear”.
    but just to get the record straight, you’re saying that we should trust the media. in fact, you’re saying that any reasonable person invests his trust in the media, and those who question it are the equivalent of holocaust deniers?

  26. xxx says:

    Oh whatever, I just hope you all learn a lesson when the report comes out and the facts come out and you have to admit that your insane ramblings were just that.
    I am saying that when the media says the Pentagon told them that a soldier testified that he was there, that the told the other soldiers what they were doing was murder and that they threatened him it is pretty likely that this is not some shit AP made up or some ‘wrong’ information.
    The civil suit is nothing but a PR move, coming suspiciously close to the unofficial release of the military report.
    Re: the CNN report, “Cannot be substantiated” and false are two very different things.
    Just like “Not Guilty” and “Innocent” are two very different things as any defense lawyer will tell you that a huge part of getting their guilty clients off is telling the jury they don’t need to think the guy is innocent, they just need to feel there is ‘reasonable doubt’…

  27. jummy says:

    altrnately, well see you again after their exenneration when you come here to tell us all about the cover-up conspiracy.

  28. xxx says:

    Ain’t going to happen.
    Why do you think the military also has a parallel investigation into the chain of command to see if they failed to properly investigate and failed to properly take into account obvious inconstencies and problems with the marines report.
    Do you think they have nothing better to do than investigate whether their own command officers covered up an imaginary massacre?

  29. Here’s a link to a video that has some of the original Red Cross video in it; edited heavily to make Israel look monstrous.
    http://www.videosift.com/story.php?id=6377

  30. jummy says:

    “Ain’t going to happen.”
    i wish i had the certitude you derive from the omnicient voice of cnn. it must be like believing in jesus.
    btw, yes, there is a military justice system who’s sole job it is to investigate and try allegations. i believe the investigation you’re citing has uncovered a lack of follow-through on the part of area officers, but no cover up, but i’m glad to see you getting your ducks all in a row for an outcome in which the accused are shown to be not guilty.

  31. xxx says:

    That’s because I can think for myself. I can read between the lines, I can understand what information and evidence is too concrete to be “made up” and what is dodgey
    It is the same reason that all I had to do was read the level of detail in the affidavit about the rape and murder of the 14 year old Iraqi girl and her family to know it was true beyond any doubt. They are guilty.
    It is the same reason that all I had to do was see the video of Joe Smith leading the little girl away and listen to the statements and evidence to know he was guilty.
    The same reason that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that John Cuey is guilty even though he hasn’t come to trial.
    I don’t know the level of guilt of all of these marines, but I do know that so far, it doesn’t look good for them and it certainly doesn’t look like it was all FAKED by the insurgents.
    I have much faith that George W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz have simply not been in power long enough to completely ruin our military and to completely eradicate the code of honor among military officers, despite the huge, horrible disgusting pressusre I am sure they are under to sweep all of this stuff under the rug and fall in line with BushCo. that its all a lie. The majority of career military officers actually believe in the rules of combat and actually, believe it or not, believe that murdering and raping little girls is something that our soldiers should not do and lining up civilians and shooting them like dogs is something that our soldiers should not do.
    The real military, that will live on long after Bush has gone back to Texas to wait for the rapture, will not cover up these atrocities but will bring these thugs to justice.

  32. xxx says:

    Or perhaps the Israeli Devils invented new Cold Explosion weapon, of course Illegal and not allowed by the Geneva Convention. ;)

  33. jummy says:

    i think you’ve made it clear:
    allegations that u.s. soliers are war criminals = “concrete”.
    facts that indicate the allegations may be false = “made up”.
    that you arive at recalcitrant conclusions prior to evidence doesn’t demonstrate that you “think for yourself”. it demonstrates that you think independent of reality. you know, like clinical psychotics. if that’s one of the side effects of “thinking for [my]self” (sort of like tieing your own shoes or cutting your own chicken patty — things everyone does for themselves, but indicate no real independence from social stanards, in the same manner that drawing conclusions from what one is told in a cable news broadcast does not indicate an independent mind), then i’m glad i’m one of the
    “sheep” who does not reflexively believe what is delivered unto me from the holy electric altar of kieth olberman.

  34. jummy says:

    “Cold Explosion weapon”?
    isn’t that in the realm of mind controll signals and weather machines?
    lol!

  35. Dan Riehl Catches More Press Propaganda

    The value of blogs.

  36. Wizbang says:

    More Qana Propaganda

    Dan Riehl has the goods on another Qana propaganda campaign reported by the MSM. This time it involves the allegation that Israel bombed two ambulances carrying innocent Lebanses people: Click here for a large blow up of the inside of…

  37. More Media Gullibility

    Clarice Feldman tipped me off to her post on Dan Riehl exposure of another attempted propaganda fraud. …

  38. just one voice says:

    xxx So…I am guessing by your military officer comments that you are one, have been one or are just assuming that they (military officers)think as you do about their Commander in Chief??
    I can assure you, as I am one (military officer) and have served 2 tours in Iraq that we as a group, that would be the vast majority of us, do not convict anyone, even Iraqis, of anything prior to the evidence being collected and some sort of military or civilian trial. Thanks for speaking for us but please refrain from telling us what we think of our Commander in Chief.

  39. Ray Robison says:

    If it was a missile there would be nothing but a burned hulk, this is 100% grade c propaganda, not even remotely believeable

  40. Ray Robison says:

    just one voice, there is a concerted effort for some liberal bloggers to pretend to be military. I can tell because they always eventually say “the troops support the war because they have been dupped”. Of course the implication is that troops are mind numbed robots who cant figure anything out for themselves. A sure sign of a lying liberal mil faker.

  41. Ray Robison says:

    xxx said “Do you honestly believe that AP and the New York Times would print that a Pentagon official told them the investigation supported the allegations if there was no official?” this is a person who puts more faith in reporters than soldiers, a sure sign he is a fake vet/soldier.

  42. xxx says:

    No, and I wasn’t trying to assume what anyone in the military thinks about Bush, my understanding is that most support him, though why I can’t imagine.
    It simply irks me that people go to such lengths to ‘exucse’ actions that are inexcusable, like raping and murdering civilians. Of course it is going to happen, it is an inevitable by product of war that some people in uniform don’t belong there, they can’t stand the stress, they were a thug to begin with, they saw too many friends blown up or whatever the case may be.
    I have nothing but respect and admiration for anyone who devotes their life to the military, getting little thanks from the general public and not enough compensation or perks to really make it worth one’s while.
    Of course, sometimes people in the military are going to try and cover up their mistakes, just like any other large institution with vested interests, it is no different than the CEO covering up his shady dealings or the corp. trying to hide evidence of illegal actions.
    I am deeply distressed about the long term consequences that George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld are going to have on our military. In some cases the changes they made, that IMO, led to the abuses in Iraq and Afganistan were opposed by the military lawyers and officers, for the right reason…when you lower standards bad things happen, when you make the rules fuzzy and not clear bad things happen. Well what do you know, bad things happened. Who is really to blame? A bunch of not so well trained kids with no one paying attention or the civilians at the top who got the whole rotten thing started by playing word games with the meaning of abuse and torture. Who is going to join the military now? Recruiters are already scraping the bottom of the barrel, what does that mean? More steven greens getting in, more bad news down the line because they military can’t weed out the people who don’t belong or kick them out once they make it apparent they can’t cut it. What a horrible legacy to the people who have been sacrificed to Bush’s worldview.

  43. xxx says:

    Fake military? Excuse me?
    You couldn’t get me to join the military unless you put a gun to my head. That doesn’t mean I am so stupid I can’t understand the need for a strong military or admire those people who do want a military career.
    OMG you people are dummer than dirt, I never knew that was possible.

  44. Ray Robison says:

    XXX, my mistake on the false claim, I saw another poster write he guessed you were military and I mistook that for your claim.
    Moving beyond that, lets look at your initial statement:
    “Hey guys, it looks the Pentagon says there is evidence supporting that civilians were murdered at Haditha.
    I can’t wait to see how Dan spins this lastest story, complete with a quote from a US soldier who says he was there, says he told them point blank what they were doing was murder and was later threatened with death if he didn’t keep his mouth shut.”
    My guess is that you are referring to this article:
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_SOLDIERS_HEARING?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-08-02-07-18-30
    “TIKRIT, Iraq (AP) — A U.S. soldier testified Wednesday that four of his colleagues accused of murdering three Iraqis during a raid threatened to kill him if he told anyone about the shooting deaths.”
    This is not the soldiers at Haditha and it is not Murtha. You have confused these two stories.
    That being said, lets go into this reporting. It is quite possible that US soldiers committed murder. There are bad soldiers even though the vast majority are good, just like civilians.
    Back to Murtha and Haditha. You may have heard that the marines filed a law suit against Murtha for libal. It is rather obvious and one would think, goes without saying (yet you force me to) that they would not have brought this suite unless they thought they had a chance. Now notice the timing, the marines also announce the report will be released soon. That means there is about a 95% chance that the soldiers were cleared by the report. Why are the marines suing? because they know the media will just sweep it under the rug if they are cleared, maybe do a five paragraph column on page 12. So the lawsuit is designed to force the media to report they have been cleared.
    Now your analysis shows an unfortunate line of track that gives two options, the marines are lying or murtha and a few DOD sources are lying.
    There is a third alternative. Murtha and the DOD sources thought it was true because they did not have a total understanding of the events of that day or the rules of engagment on the ground (versus the ROE on ring A at the Pentagon). So you have overlooked the most logical explanation that Murtha was simply wrong, which is why people like me were pissed at him in the first place. I never thought he did it to betray the marines, but that he had made a very unwise decision to speak out prematurely.
    So bottom line, Murtha was wrong to attack our marines this way. You are attacking people who were right to be angry about it. And there are bad people even in the military. This does not discredit this war, anymore than the rapist/murderer from the 82nd airborne that did this to a child in Kosovo. That was not Clinton’s fault or the US’s fault, just the sick creature that did it. That was an honorable mission despite that act. You should learn to seperate the action of the individual from the collective as that is a sure sign of discriminatory thinking.

  45. xxx says:

    The third option is possible, it wouldn’t be the first time a politician rushed to the micriphone without all the facts.
    I give you option number four for contemplation, the marines filed the civil suit because they know the report is going to show a 95% probability that they are guilty and their lawyers felt that at least in the court of public opinion having dueling criminal and civil actions would lend credence to the idea that whatever happened, it wasn’t out and out murder…people would say, just like you did, ‘why would they sue a public official for libel unless they had a case’…but they have nothing to lose and everything from a PR perspective to gain, there is no way, even if they are all INNOCENT and proven INNOCENT that they can win a libel suit against an elected official who was acting on information he got from the pentagon, even if it was wrong, the hurdles are impossible, they would have to prove it was wrong, that he knew or should have know it was wrong…impossible. People file frivolous ridiculous lawsuits all the time for many reasons.
    But, we will find out eventually.

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  47. jummy says:

    xxx is a child molester.

  48. kittykat718 says:

    xxx: Talk about “dummer than dirt”, (dumber, dummy) aren’t you aware that lying about our military (claiming we raped, killed stole, whatever they can think up) is right out of all the Al Queda playbook? Anybody who believes anything (outside of sports scores and local news) they read in the MSM or watch on TV is rather gullible. And, as the mother of a young man who is anything but the “bottom of the barrel”, who just enlisted in the Marine Corps instead of college so he could fight for his country,I realize you don’t know what you are talking about!

  49. Ray Robison says:

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  50. Ray Robison says:

    Breaking news, Israeli Air Force using new NERF Missile

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  51. xxx says:

    Murtha Statement:
    “I don’t blame the staff sergeant for lashing out. When I spoke up about Haditha, my intention was to draw attention to the horrendous pressure put on our troops in Iraq and to the cover-up of the incident.
    “Our troops are caught in the middle of a tragic dilemma. The military trains them to fight a conventional war and use overwhelming force to protect U.S. lives. I agree with that policy, but when we use force, we often kill civilians. What are the consequences?
    “Three years ago, there were fewer than 500 foreign fighters in Iraq. They were called ‘dead enders.’ Then there were 5,000, and they were called ‘terrorists.’ Now there are 20,000, and the administration calls this ‘sectarian violence.’
    “All this time, we’ve had at least 130,000 U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq. In the last year, incidents have increased from 49 per day to 100 per day. About 14,000 Iraqis were killed in the last year, mostly in the last six months. Oil and electricity production are below pre-war level, and unemployment is 60 percent throughout most of the country. Our troops are in 120-degree temperatures with 70 pounds of equipment on their back, and they don’t know who the enemy is.
    “This conflict cannot be won militarily. Our troops are caught in the middle of a civil war. It’s well beyond the time to redeploy from Iraq.”
    ————————————-
    Gee, he sure sounds like a traitor who should be villified….
    KItty you dumbf**c I am not claiming anything, I did not arrest Steve Green and charge him with raping a 14 year old girl and murdering her family, nor did I charge 4 fellow soldiers in military court with the same crime. I read the FBI affidavit that resulted in the arrest warrants being issued. I am not putting anyone on trial for murdering Iraqi civilians or investigating the murder of Iraqi civilians, the military is.
    Or are you saying that our own military are now actively aiding Al Quada by doing these things?
    Or are you saying that even if our soldiers are doing these things that they shouldn’t be prosecuted, because it helps Al Quaida?
    You can close your eyes and keep saying the MSM is making it all up but it isn’t going to change reality

  52. jummy says:

    honestly. “unnamed sources” say so. having the capability to “think for myself”, i know this to be true. anyone who disagrees is obviously “umber than dirt” or the equivalent of a holocaust denier.
    xxx shouldn’t be outraged. its not an accusation, but the statement of a fairly certain side-effect of his chosen path in life. my interest in exposing this truth is compassion for xxx. i’m on his side, and i’m mad as hell at the way dylan avery and others have made such things as xxx’s pedophilia inevitable.

  53. xxx says:

    I tried to explain to you nitwits how ‘unnamed sources’ works, why it works and that it is not, however much you want to make it, akin to reporters just making shit up.
    Don’t you think if there was NO PENTAGON OFFICIALS who made these statements on condition of anonymity that the REAL Pentagon officials who know the ‘real story’ of how the report is actually going to exonerate these marines would have said something?
    Don’t you think the Pentagon knows who has acess to this report and who doesn’t and most likely has a pretty short list of who these unnamed officials are, and maybe, even tacitly approved them leaking the gist of the report to blunt its final impact when released.
    Oh, no I forgot, the MSM always lies so it must be a lie, it just made up, these officials don’t exist.
    This, with a couple exceptions, is like taking to a five year old.

  54. jummy says:

    i don’t understand why you’re getting upset over this. pedophilia is a terrible thing, but just because it’s terrible doesn’t mean we can abrogate our duty to deal with it, even – no, especially when the pedophile is someone close to us.

  55. xxx says:

    Talk amongst yourselves, here are your talking points.
    Murtha is a traitor, ps, please remember in your first attempt to discredit him, you all forgot he was a former Marine.
    Our troops have not committed any crimes against Iraq civilians, any report or information that says so is a lie and any evidence that supports guilt is faked. It doesn’t matter anyway even if it is true, we should just shut up about it because it is traitorous to mention it.
    Every Arab on the planet except Ahmed Chalabi is a blood thirsty devil dedicated to dominating the West and destroying Israel and the U.S. They ARE NOT LIKE US, they are, you know, like a totally different species man, not even really human. There are no innocent arabs.
    Anything Israel does is justified in in her own defense. If Israel nukes Tehran, that would be self defense. If Israel kills every Palestinian in the occupied territories, that would be self defense.
    Iraq is a great success, things are going swimmingly, the neo conservative domino theory is proven to be a winner, first we have liberated Iraq and now, our bestest allies the Israelis are well on their way to liberating Lebanon and making it free, safe and a neat place to live just like Iraq is now. Everything is going according to plan.
    Got it?

  56. jummy says:

    here’s how “unnamed sources” work:
    http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml
    the truth is, an “unnamed source” or an “unnamed official” is whoever comes to a journalist with the story which closest resembles the journalist’s prejudices. it could be someone reporting third and fourth hand information at the water cooler. their provenance is established solely by the fact that they may be in closer proximity to the action than the reporting journalist, regardless of whether they actually know anything.

  57. Hyscience says:

    Flash: Baghdad Bob Alive And Well – Now Working For Hezbollah

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  58. just one voice says:

    What Murtha did was convict these marines without a trial. He is conivinced that because of conditions that exist in Iraq that was is alleged to have happenned…..did happen. He blames Bush for it just as do a host of other left wing blinded by their hate for bush democrats. Kerry was a veteran and so is Murtha. Being a veteran does not give you any more or less ability to comment on Iraq. If you have been their and actually spent over 18 months on the ground, in the cities, the deserts, then I would consider your comments/thoughts to have more validity. Whether or not these marines committed a crime will hinge on the investigation on the ground in Iraq, interviews with other marines and Iraqi civilians who were there. Just so you all know…the bodies of these civilians that were killed will not be, I repeat, will not be exumed and examined by forensic experts. What does that mean….we will probably never know what really happened. As of now the families of these poor people have refused requests by our government to examine the bodies. It is muslim tradition to bury the bodies within 24-48 hours after death (not sure of the exact time).
    I for one will wait and see what comes of the investigation and perhaps trial. There is no certainty of a military trial, that ultimatley rest with base commander of where the Marines are based. I believe that would be a LT. General (3 star).
    What Murtha and the MSM are doing and have been doings is to use any and all events to persue Bush and undermine this country when we are at war. History will not forgive these people. If anyone really wants to know about Islam and what is really happening, research the Quran and the surahs. Get educated and informed about Jihad and what %90 of muslims believe. To not understand this violent religion and what its goals are is digging your own grave. To let poeple in our own country, elected officials and the media to spoon feed you misinformation is lunacy and suicidal. Having been to Iraq I promised myself to read as much as I could to understand these people, do the same, please!!!

  59. Squiggler says:

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  60. Squiggler says:

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  61. Beth says:

    “XXX” obviously didn’t get the memo. Thanks for the laughs!
    ***Murtha is a traitor, ps, please remember in your first attempt to discredit him, you all forgot he was a former Marine.***
    Nobody has denied or disparaged his service as a Marine, as far as I can tell. But his service as a Marine does NOT excuse his current behavior. It’s ridiculous to claim that it does, and it shows your dishonesty and lack of respect for others who have served honorably. You will say that Murtha gets a pass for life because of 30 years in the Marine Corps, but will you give that same pass-for-life to the millions of other veterans who have also served as Murtha did? Will you say their word is also infallible?
    ***Our troops have not committed any crimes against Iraq civilians, any report or information that says so is a lie and any evidence that supports guilt is faked. It doesn’t matter anyway even if it is true, we should just shut up about it because it is traitorous to mention it.***
    No, you fool. Some of us just 1) happen to believe in the UCMJ (seeing as how many of us are veterans, we know about how it works), and 2) Much, if not MOST of the information you rely upon is agitprop. NOT evidence. And 3) it’s notable how easy it is for you to believe our troops are crazed murderers, but how difficult it is for you to believe that things are not exactly what they tell you at Kos/DU/Indymedia/Time/NYT/whatever. You obviously have *not* looked at all sides of the story. Furthermore, it’s funny how you clowns love to talk about Abu Ghraib, but I don’t remember a single person on “our side” jumping to the defense of those cretins, much less calling people traitors for bringing them to justice.
    ***Every Arab on the planet except Ahmed Chalabi is a blood thirsty devil dedicated to dominating the West and destroying Israel and the U.S. They ARE NOT LIKE US, they are, you know, like a totally different species man, not even really human. There are no innocent arabs.***
    WTF ARE you talking about? Way to make shit up. Or maybe you’re just projecting. BTW, it’s not “Arabs” that people criticize (did you forget Iranians are not “Arabs?” And how about Indonesians/other Asians/Africans/Americans/Europeans who are Muslim?)–it’s ISLAM. You know, the radical ones. Maybe you’ve missed the moderate ones who support the war against the violent jihadis? But that’s what you want to believe so you can say WE (us “neocons” or “wingnuts” or whatever your line is today) are the bad guys. What a fucking fool.
    And anyway, you have it completely backwards. It’s the radical Muslims who say “there are no innocent” Israelis, Americans, or infidels, period. Maybe you haven’t gotten THEIR memo, because they’ve been saying that for decades.
    ***Anything Israel does is justified in in her own defense.***
    Oh, God forbid Israel fight fire with fire. What exactly is “self-defense” to you, airdrops of flowers? Shooting rubber bands at the enemy?
    ***If Israel nukes Tehran, that would be self defense. ***
    No, it would actually be a favor to the whole world, if you ask enough of Iran’s neighbors. I’d personally prefer assassinations on Ahmadinejad and the mullahs. See, we “evil Zionists” don’t hate ALL Iranians, contrary to what you may like to spew.
    ***If Israel kills every Palestinian in the occupied territories, that would be self defense.***
    And that is SO likely, isn’t it? Again, WTF ARE you talking about? Chances of that happening: Zero. Chances of the reverse happening: 100%, if it were possible. Take away Hamas’/Hizballah’s weapons, you have peace. Take away Israel’s weapons, you have no Israelis.
    ***Iraq is a great success, things are going swimmingly, the neo conservative domino theory is proven to be a winner, first we have liberated Iraq and now, our bestest allies the Israelis are well on their way to liberating Lebanon and making it free, safe and a neat place to live just like Iraq is now. Everything is going according to plan.***
    You really don’t get what this whole war thing is about, do you? Oh wait, you’re changing the reasons why we went to war again, I get it. Yeah, the whole plan, the whole war is about liberating everyone. This week, anyway, right? So what’s the “plan” that you’re going to blather about next week? Your utter ignorance is appalling, but still, it makes me snicker because it really “helps” your argument. LOL
    ***?Got it?***
    Here’s what I’ve got. You basically think Israel and America (only if it’s run by Republicans!) are WRONG FIRST. You may not APPROVE of terrorism (or maybe you do, at least against Israel), but Israel and the US are to blame for it. All war is because of the US and Israel (nevermind the REALITY that wars have existed since the dawn of civilization, and will continue as long as human beings inhabit the planet–that’s not utopian enough, is it?).
    Yep, I got it. Do you?

  62. Beth says:

    And by the way, it’s not spelled “Al Quada” or “Al Quaida.” Just thought you should know, and NO, I am not going to instruct you. If you actually, you know, READ anything about them, you’ll figure it out.
    Just a tip, before you shoot off your mouth calling people “you dumbf**c.”
    (I’m ignoring the other spelling errors, because my argument is with your deranged ranting.)

  63. Webloggin says:

    Video: CCN Anchor Rosemary Church takes on Israeli Spokeswoman

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  64. SPQR says:

    Beth, arabic phrases have no “standard” spelling in english.

  65. ed says:

    Hmmmm.
    I’m sorry I can’t remember specifically where and when but I’ve definitely seen that image, of the side of the ambulance, before from a news story from the Palestinian areas. Not sure if it was Gaza or West Bank, but I know I’ve seen that one before.

  66. jummy says:

    here’s another example of how “unnamed sources” work:
    http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1222417,00.html
    “But a Pentagon source familiar with the criminal investigation says that contrary to the suggestions of some media reports Wednesday, there have been no conclusions that the Marines deliberately killed unarmed civilians. This source also says that the bodies of those killed at Haditha have not been exhumed, which makes proving murder ‘very challenging.'”

  67. Beth says:

    SPQR, come on. You go with what is the common use (aka “standard” use) in English. It’s not “Qu”–that’s not a phonetic approximation.

  68. Beth says:

    That’s Pallywood for ya, Ed.

  69. Sharpshooter says:

    xxx,
    Get psychiatric help…soon!

  70. rwilymz says:

    “This, with a couple exceptions, is like taking to a five year old.”
    Now you know how I’ve felt talking to you, ‘x’.
    “I tried to explain to you nitwits how ‘unnamed sources’ works, why it works and that it is not… BLAH, bluh-BLAH, bluh-BLAH”
    While “unnamed sources” is sometimes a very good way of getting legitimate information out without embarrassing people, it is also sometimes a very good way of inventing information that has little to no substance.
    To rely upon “unnamed sources” and presume conclusive realities upon the statments of people who will not attach their name to what they say shows every bit as much bias and prejudice as the “neocons” who dance their jigs around the flag yadda yadda.
    I gotta go with Beth here; you’re a Blame America Firster. If someone says something critical of the US, well, obviously it’s correct and the person saying it is “abjective”; if someone else says something supportive of the US, well, obviously it’s wrong and the person saying it is a “neocon”.
    To illustrate that, let me take you back to your tear-stained denunciation of the Shah of Iran a few topics down the list. He had secret police. Why, yes he did. …after suffering repeated attempts by religious fanatics to topple the government and killing officials while doing it. But that he had them at all was bad and shows why the Iranian people hate the US.
    But the Iranian government has secret police NOW, to make sure that the 40-70% of the population who did not actively support the revolution keep in line. Do those secret police show why everyone now hates … the Mullahs?
    Or are you grasping? rationalizing your hair-shirted hatred of the US with the first excuse you can come up with?

  71. Qana Death Toll Plummets; Media Bias Skyrockets

    According to a Lebanese hospital and Human Rights Watch, the Qana death toll, which was initially numbered at 60 including 37 children, now stands at 28. As the crisis was unfolding, the newswires were flooded with constantly updated reports about the …

  72. Cao's Blog says:

    Qana propaganda

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  73. NederKrant says:

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  74. ERNurse says:

    So, what did this missile pack for a warhead? An M-80? Where are the shrapnel holes? Where is the burned paint? Where is the scorched interior? If it was a dud, then why is the front end of the ambulance torn up? If the missile did in fact explode, why is the front windscreen caved inward? The hole in the roof looked almost comically doctored. The metal is curved wrong. the cute little “scorch” marks on the margins are wrong.
    And then there’s the interior. If some guy’s leg was taken off bu this missile, where is all the blood? Believe me, in my line of work, I have seen traumatic leg amputations before, and they produce a lot of blood. The floor of this ambulance is spotless. What, did the old guy say, “Hey, guys, stop the ambulance so I can get out and bleed because I don’t want to mess up your ride, Allah be praised”?
    As noted, the gurneys are pristine. And not a scorch mark anywhere.
    Nope. This is BS.

  75. SK says:

    I´d venture to say we´re looking at a single M789 HEDP or M799 HEI hit, fired by the Apache´s M230 chaingun. Damage by a 70mm rocket is also possible, but I´d expect that to be more severe.
    While I agree that you have to keep an eye open for the MSM and always be sceptical, I think one can also easily fall for the “it´s all doctored” trap, where suddenly everything “certainly is photoshopped or rigged”.

  76. harrie verstappen says:

    Re that picture of the ambulance with a man sticking his head through a “missile hole”, it’s obvious that the hole is indeed a remnant of something that used to be mounted on the rooftop. Look at the unpainted rim with screw holes. The American Kestrel informs us that you need a much smaller hole to put a wire through. True, but when you look at other similar ambulances this obviously was a ventilator; the blue light is mounted up front. So much for Kestrel’s hawk-like eyes.

  77. skeptik says:

    Oh, this proves it. Israel killed absolutely no civilians in Lebanon. No women, no children. Anyone who died was Hezbollah and all the other pics taken by the legion of jihadi media were ALL FAKED. So, just to repeat that. NO CIVILIANS WERE KILLED IN LEBANON. NOT ONE. OK? Israel is a beautiful place filled with a peace loving freedom loving humanitarians who should be an inspiration to us all. AND NO CHILDREN DIED IN LEBANON. This story which leaves out critical details in common knowledge proves this beyond a reasonable doubt.
    Jeeeebuss. What a sick world you people inhabit.

  78. Spiny Norman says:

    How does exposing clumsy Hezbollah propaganda “prove” no civilians were killed in Lebanon, skeptik? Dan Riehl has made no claims that civilians were not killed, nor has anyone else that I can see, just that claims of “Israelis targeted Red Cross ambulances” are utterly phony. Or are you just making a crude strawman argument? The fact that Hezbollah terrorists were/are hiding among civilians and launching their rockets from behind apartment buildings GUARANTEED civilian casualties, which they would then shamelessly exploit for everything it’s worth. THAT is the story here.

  79. The MSM-Hezbollah Ambulance Hoax:All your fakes are belong to us

    Take a good look at these three images of Red Cross ambulances in Lebanon, supposedly deliberately targeted by Israel, and broadcast worldwide by the MSM last month: On August 6, I linked to Dan Riehl’s excellent post raising questions and…

  80. The Great Ambulance Hoax:All your fakes are belong to us

    Take a good look at these three images of Red Cross ambulances in Lebanon, supposedly deliberately targeted by Israel, and broadcast worldwide by the MSM last month: On August 6, I linked to Dan Riehl’s excellent post raising questions and…

  81. Brilliant: All Your Fakes Are Now Belong To Us

    Thanks to CraigC, via the Corner Michelle Malkin. The Real Stuff: Zombietime destroys the “Israelis Bombed Red Cross Ambulances” fake story, referenced in the video. Zombie builds on Dan Riehl’s previous demolition of the fake story….

  82. Wizbang says:

    The Fraudulent Ambulance Story

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  83. Zombie’s Day In The Sun – Destroys Hezbollywood’s Ambulance Show

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  85. Doug says:

    There actually might be a way that an explosion in the van would do that to the windshield. It’s not hard to imagine that the outward concussion could certainly break the safety glass and tear it partially free, as the photo seems to attest, but pushing it outward. Recall though that there’s a second event right after the explosion – the explosion rapidly created a low pressure area, so now there’s an implosion. Could the implosion have pulled the now-flexible safety glass back into the vehicle? I don’t know just how powerful the implosion is compared to the explosion, but it seems at least possible to me that this could happen. I’ll grant you that the rest of it still doesn’t pass the smell test, but there’s a (dubious?) plausable explanation for the windshield.

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