Define “Lasting”

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October 14, 2008

Okay, to summarize – from the time he was a child until he was a young man, I guess, Barack Obama drank whiskey, wrote dirty limericks, read poetry and, um, was counseled by a sexual deviant, child molester, rapist of children? That about cover it? And in his book he said it had a lasting effect on him? Damn. That could actually be very sad.

That may be worse than his having been counseled by Jeremiah Wright.

No wonder he says "Pakit-stan" in that funny way of his! heh!

Barack describes how Frank Davis had a lasting effect on him and became a father figure over the seven years they knew one another on the tropical island.

In Dreams from My Father, Obama wrote: "He would read us poetry whenever we stopped by his house, sharing whiskey with Gramps out of an emptied jelly jar.

"As the night wore on, the two of them would solicit my help in composing dirty limericks."

Obama described being counseled by Frank often and recalled drinking whiskey with him.

Since Frank Davis has been identified as the author of Sex Rebel: Black, Obama has been extremely secretive about the true nature of his experience with the self-admitted deviant.

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Comments:
  1. Steven W. says:

    This looks like Hillary getting her last digs in against Obama with the Clinton’s comrades at the National Enquirer.

  2. Stuff like this isn’t any way to win anything, and it would probably backfire. If you want something honorable, go to one of BHO’s appearances and call him on his lies to his face or ask him tough questions about the hugely obvious flaws in his policies. Details at my name’s link.

  3. ChenZhen says:

    Wow is that National Enquirer headline misleading.

  4. ChenZhen says:

    Wow is that National Enquirer headline misleading.

  5. mary says:

    “October 14, 2008
    Obama’s Religious Ruse: ‘I’ve Always Been a Christian’
    By Alexander LaBrecque
    What we have here is a baptized Marxist who denies the biographical reality of his Muslim background, takes pride in his skepticism, is the center of his universe, is posing as a Christian, esteems the power of the christ myth, and seeks the most powerful position of authority in the world.”
    http://tinyurl.com/53bcfn

  6. Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere says:

    “— and seeks the most powerful position of authority in the world —”
    That shall remain to be seen… if Obama wins the rigged election (which is nearly a 100% certainty by now) America – and the Anglo-Saxon Sprachraum’s primacy in world affairs – shall come to an end by the finish of his first term in office.
    The Days of the Eagle and the Lion are coming to a close; the Day of the Phoenix, (Japan) the Dragon, (China) and the Tiger (lesser Asian nations) dawning anew to their rightful place in the world.
    Perhaps it has been the Anglo-Saxon anomaly, for it has been about 300 years out of the past 5,000 that they have been the centre of global relevance. How strange it is that only 12,5% of the world’s population (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ, and Europe) should dictate to the rest of the world – mostly Asiatic peoples (evenly 70% or more) what is right?
    But this anomaly is short lived inside the full scope of written human history – and with the (possibly engineered) economic collapse of the West yet to fully resolve itself, things bode most darkly for the legacy of the Western World.
    Once more, the crown of glory shall be returned to the Middle Kingdom – China – which had long ruled the ancient world by force of its numbers, scientific innovation, and its riches.

  7. Jim Treacher says:

    Stuff like this isn’t any way to win anything, and it would probably backfire. If you want something honorable, go to one of BHO’s appearances and call him on his lies to his face or ask him tough questions about the hugely obvious flaws in his policies. Details at my name’s link.

    We get it, spammer.

  8. BobinStamford says:

    What about John McCain’s prison sex? Could that be why he’s so angry? Hmmmm….

  9. Den says:

    He learned from his mentor. Probably why Obama is on the “down low”.

  10. Fred Beloit says:

    Obama say: “‘It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,’ Obama responded. ‘My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.'”
    I’m shocked, shocked to find Obama is a Marxist/socialist. Wine spoodie oodie, pass that money around. HT to http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YjY1OWNjMmQwNWY3NjI3YTMyYzQwYzlmNGM4NzE4ZWM=

  11. gaelinfairfield says:

    Hey BobinStamford, you cretin. McCain was in isolation in a small cell – when he wasn’t trapped in a coffin sized box and left to bake in the hot sun in the prison courtyard, or being tortured… you’re probably one of those ObamaBimbos who chuckled at BO’s ad, mocking his email habits – not realizing that in fact his hands were crushed and his shoulders broken, during several torture sessions. Have some respect for the brave manly people that defend your right to inject your puerile intellect into the public discourse. He has more courage, honor and integrity than you and your little pansy boy will ever have!

  12. haharoflz says:

    Have some respect for the brave manly people that defend your right to inject your puerile intellect into the public discourse. He has more courage, honor and integrity than you and your little pansy boy will ever have!
    Sounds like someone is dreaming about a little prison-sex with McCain themselves.

  13. riggword says:

    This post gives me new understanding of the Obama phenomenon. He is playing the deviant card. His followers, many of which believe in accepting deviant lifestyles, are engaged with this man. Your post has confirmed something that I have always felt intuitively. Obama is an attractive deviant sort of guy. He attracts that primal instinctual lust for the odd. Humans are a lusty animal. Inside we feel things that cannot be explained but must be controlled and resisted. Obama makes it Ok for us humans to explore our lusty deviant side. Obama gives us comfort with our odd inner thoughts. Unfortunately if he gains power he will release and make acceptable many of our deepest deviant lustful thoughts and then more people will act on what they use to resist and conquer.
    God will allow a nation to stray into deviancy, look at Sodem and Gamora. God will allow American to go down that path to teach us a lesson, “Obama May be God’s Choice for America, riggword letters” at: http://riggword.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama-may-be-gods-choice-for-america-riggword-letters/
    Thank you for your post and video and this space to write,
    riggword

  14. riggword says:

    This post gives me new understanding of the Obama phenomenon. He is playing the deviant card. His followers, many of which believe in accepting deviant lifestyles, are engaged with this man. Your post has confirmed something that I have always felt intuitively. Obama is an attractive deviant sort of guy. He attracts that primal instinctual lust for the odd. Humans are a lusty animal. Inside we feel things that cannot be explained but must be controlled and resisted. Obama makes it Ok for us humans to explore our lusty deviant side. Obama gives us comfort with our odd inner thoughts. Unfortunately if he gains power he will release and make acceptable many of our deepest deviant lustful thoughts and then more people will act on what they use to resist and conquer.
    God will allow a nation to stray into deviancy, look at Sodem and Gamora. God will allow American to go down that path to teach us a lesson, “Obama May be God’s Choice for America, riggword letters” at: http://riggword.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/obama-may-be-gods-choice-for-america-riggword-letters/
    Thank you for your post and video and this space to write,
    riggword

  15. JustOneMan says:

    Maybe the rumors of Barrys “On the low down” (black men who pretend to be hetero when they are closet gays cruising rest stops and adult bookstores) lifestyle are true…gee a black gay president..isnt that special

  16. chris says:

    “God will allow a nation to stray into deviancy, look at Sodem and Gamora.”
    I suggest driving to the Walmart in either ‘Sodem’ or ‘Gamora’ and picking up Hooked on Phonics.
    You’re welcome.

  17. Foo says:

    Jeez, get a life people. What a bunch of nonsense…anybody can make up garbage like this. Watch:
    1) John McCain is a terrorist – PROVE he’s not
    2) John McCain is a pedophile – PROVE he’s not
    3) John McCain eats babies – PROVE he doesn’t
    See? My claims have about as much basis in reality as yours.

  18. riggword says:

    thanks for the correction,
    What do you think about the idea of Defining Deviancy Down?

  19. Fred Beloit says:

    Foo doesn’t seem to understand what quotation marks mean, so I’m sure foo won’t understand what ipse dixit means.
    Obama say: “‘It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,’ Obama responded. ‘My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.'”

  20. Fred Beloit says:

    See, foo[L], it’s this way. Obama himself spoke, and he spoke as much as to say that I no longer am the owner of my assets. My assets will, after the election, be owned by me AND by the Dems in office. They will distribute my assets as they see fit to bring about a situation in which everyone will have about the same assets (except they themselves of course. They will be allowed more assets, just as those who work for the federal government do not have Social Security, which is good enough for you but not good enough for them.)

  21. MichaelinBaltimore says:

    Hey gaelinfairfield,
    John McCain was NOT tortured. He was simply subjected to the same “enhanced interrogation techniques” that we use today against prisoners of war.
    Just thought I’d clarify that for ya!

  22. Dan Hill says:

    What’s very sad is that you are so consumed by hate that you find the possibility that someone may have been molested as a child as a source of humor. Pathetic.

  23. gaelinfairfield says:

    Wow MichaelinBaltimore (crime rate HOW high, again?!) There is ignorance and then there is insistent, persistent pugnacious ignorance! The first you can’t help (i’m so sorry, genetic is it?) the rest you seek relentlessly. God help you in this world, best you stick to your fantasy existence. You couldn’t take one single second of “adversity” – never mind 5 1/2 years of torture (you’re probably wincing even now, at the verbal reprimand you’re receiving ) So sad.

  24. Xanthippas says:

    “Unfortunately if he gains power he will release and make acceptable many of our deepest deviant lustful thoughts and then more people will act on what they use to resist and conquer.”
    He’s going to produce porn from the White House?

  25. AJ says:

    John McCain has run the worst presidential campaign – PERIOD. So I think they should continue to talk about the 1960’s, because it’s really been SO helpful to the campaign.
    All of Karl Rove’s men won’t be able to put poor Johnny-boy back together again.
    As Sen. Thad Cochran said, “The thought of Sen. McCain being president sends a cold chill down my spine.”

  26. spreadtheword says:

    Here’s how sad and ignorant the OBAMALOVERS are:
    http://neveryetmelted.com/index.php/interviewing-obama-supporters-on-the-issues/
    Too funny! They have NO idea what their homeboy stands for (conveniently for him, becasue if they Actually Knew…) but he’s their guy, anyways. Hilarous! Headline: Ignorant ObamaLovers Voting for McCain Platform. Voting for a guy just because he’s black: Racism? You betcha!

  27. chris says:

    Hey, if you 22%ers want to question whether Obama’s past may affect his performance as POTUS, the same is fair for the little old man. He’s pretty unstable. Angry and ‘lurching around’ from position to position. As was mentioned, maybe the whole prison experience messed him up sufficiently to disqualify his as leadership material. I haven’t seen any evidence to the contrary.

  28. Lala says:

    Obama’s Communist Mentor
    AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | February 18, 2008
    excerpt…
    “through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his ‘poetry’ and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just ‘Frank.’
    The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.”
    Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator’s victory in the Iowa caucuses:
    “Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle. Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,’ not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through.”
    People’s Weekly World (PWW), official newspaper of the Communist Party, USA
    Source article: Obama’s Communist Mentor
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

  29. Suze says:

    Chris: Lurching? then, why is Obama stealing his positions? Ignore the ObamaTalkingPoints and find out for yourself: where has he FlipFlopped? BO likes to point to his response to the economic crisis as “lurching” becasue he sought to a) calm the public from self-immolating panic by reassuring American workers that he believed in them (something your man does not) b) take action to get the Dem Dealers- who caused the problem – to take their dealings public and provide access to the House Republicans for necessary controls and oversight ot be added and c) to then garner support for the second rescue plan, while exposing its dirty details to an unwitting public – on whose backs the deal rests. This is not”lurching”; this is called Leadership, somehting your BO has never doen. He called JM’s return to Washington “a political stunt” while he studied his lines for the debate. How much respect can you give a guy that walks that particular walk? His acting performance in a debate is more important than leading for a solution? Only a flaming Lib like BO, who’s never yet fulfilled the expectations of an affirmative action would call Doing Your Job a Political Stunt”

  30. chris says:

    Ooooh, communists!!! In 1951, no less!! That Arab doesn’t stand a chance!

  31. Suze says:

    Obama and Ayers are STILL working together and Ayers wife – commie Bernie Dohrn – is STILL working with Michelle Obama. They all worked together at Sidley law, whose principal partner was noneotherthan Tom Ayers – yup, Bill’s dad. WifeyBernie had just been arrested and jailed for the 1981 Brinks robbery in NYC… hmmm… wasn’t BO studying in stealth mode at Columbia (in NYC) in 1981 and – oh yes! wasn’t Bill Ayers also studying at Columbia (in NYC) in 1981? ObamaIKnowNothingAboutIt is a little too stupid for my tastes, if he’s going to push That Fairy Tale! And Khalid al Mansour was teaching at Columbia at the same time; Khalid – you will remember – wrote to Sutton to get BO into Harvard on affirmative action (it sure wasn’t grades or community organizing achievement!) then, there’s Rashidi Khalid a PLO terrorist wh threw BO a fundraiser in 2001 (not “only 8 years old” anymore, ObamaNoBraina)…maybe had something to do with the $$100K BO funneled to Rashidi’s pet AntiIsrael projects,while on the Woods Fund. In any case, BO gave a “splendid speech” for Rashidi at the party; the LATimes reported on it. Funnily, though, the LATimes refuses to release the actual video of that speech “Until After The Election”!!! Are you scared yet?!

  32. seekeronos says:

    “—
    “Unfortunately if he gains power he will release and make acceptable many of our deepest deviant lustful thoughts and then more people will act on what they use to resist and conquer.”
    He’s going to produce porn from the White House?
    —”
    I should hope not… but with men like that Kwame Kilpatrick turning the Detroit Mayoral Mansion into a den of iniquity, I wouldn’t be surprised of the incoming “Mack Daddy in Chief” does partake of some questionable activities.
    Semi-Off topic:
    Considering the parallels with the Hitler Youth being dominated by homosexualists (Brownshirts, who were men corrupted by the the sodomite teachings of the Thule Society in their youth during and before the WW1 period in Germany)… could Obama’s abuse at the hands of the communist Frank Davis be a harbinger of darker things to come with the various Obama Youth programmes?
    http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2008/10/obama-gay-porn-kingpin-linked-to-obama.html
    Could there be some connection with various sodomite political groups — such as Mr. Terrence Bean…?
    http://www.nypost.com/php/pfriendly/print.php?url=http://www.nypost.com/seven/10102008/gossip/pagesix/gay_porn_kingpin_linked_to_o_132914.htm

  33. Totally Heterosexual Conservative says:

    Funny how these supposed “facts” about Obama are never accompanied by anything resembling “proof” of said “facts.”
    Wingerism = mental illness.

  34. Danno49 says:

    Making jokes about child rape is unconscionable, period. What if it were revealed that one of Governor Palin’s children were a victim of the same? Would you make jokes then?
    Some things are out of bounds. One of the problems with people nowadays is that they don’t ask themselves if they CAN say something. That is patently obvious here. No, they don’t ask themselves if they SHOULD.
    Shame on you.

  35. chris says:

    Speaking of gay porn – has Jeff Gannon been out ‘stumping’ for the little old man?
    How about the ‘decorated’ hero Matt “Dirty” Sanchez aka Rod Majors?
    You guys need all the help you can get!

  36. Fred Beloit says:

    “As Sen. Thad Cochran said,…”
    Who the hell is Sen Cochran. He may have had even fewer accomplishments in the Senate than Obie has had.

  37. chris says:

    “Who the hell is Sen Cochran”
    He’s this guy
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thad_Cochran
    Looks like an unaccomplished librul-type. He’s no Sarah Palin!

  38. suze says:

    Funny how these supposed “facts” about Obama are never accompanied by anything resembling “proof” of said “facts.”
    Wingerism = mental illness.
    Posted by: Totally Heterosexual Conservative
    Instead of name calling, get the facts for yourself! Why are you sitting back, letting other people tell you what to think? Which Obama facts would you like proof for? There’s plenty to find; the alarming aspect of that is that the Big Media could care less. (heard about Tim Mahoney yet? From the most ethical Congress ever?! Talk about abuse of power, sexual harassment, adultery and blackmail – worth reporting? Nahh…he’s a Demcrat)
    And… to those calling for decency in public speech: demand an apology from SANDRA Bernhardt for calling on her homeboys to rape Gov Palin, demand an apology from SNL for joking about incest in Gov Palin’s family, demand an apology from the vile and putrid hatespewing ObamaThugs who have called for her Stoning, her head to be cut off, and her abortion!! These Thugs (and the namecallers on these blogs) have nothing of substance to say. Daniel Webster claimed that when a person starts the name calling, they’ve clearly lost the argument resorting instead to ad hominem attacks. Make your point, stick to issues. Terrorist associations are a serious issue. It is NOT “racist” to question a person’s judgment, whatever his color, and personally that defensive response strikes me as a desperate attempt to shut down the discussion.

  39. chris says:

    Suz’e’ needs to get out more. She must be really miserable to be around.
    The fact is that the sad little old man has run the shittiest campaign in history. He now has to resort to going after ‘terrorist’ associations. He should take his dignity and his metamucil and go back to his 8 houses.

  40. Too bad that the leftist Obama has been exposed as fully supporting and endorsing an anti-Semitic and black racist philosophies.
    Just a taste:
    “Carruthers admits that Africans living in America have already been shaped by Western culture, yet compares this Americanization process to rape: “We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist….” In other words, American blacks (i.e. Africans) may have been forcibly exposed to American culture, but that doesn’t mean they need to accept it. The better option, says Carruthers, is to separate out and relearn the wisdom of Africa’s original Kemetic culture, embodied in the teachings of the ancient wise man, Ptahhotep (an historical figure traditionally identified as the author of a Fifth Dynasty wisdom book). Anything less than re-Africanization threatens the mental, and even physical, genocide of Africans living in an ineradicably white supremacist United States.
    Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.”
    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQ0YjhlOGVhYjQ0OWRhZjI2MmM4NTQ4NGM5Mjg0MzU=
    That was worth getting millions of dollars to teach to public school students, doled out by the obedient and enthusiastic supporter of such Barack Obama.

  41. Lala says:

    So Suze, Chris immediately proved your point.

  42. Lisa says:

    So you think that a ten year old is capable of having a “gay affair” with an adult?
    I fear for your children.

  43. JohnMcCainsSoiledDepends says:

    So Dan, did having a gay brother have a ‘lasting’ effect on you? Did you learn anything from him? Did he teach you any neat ‘tricks’?? Not married, no kids….

  44. Dan Riehl says:

    “Did you learn anything from him?”
    Yes, unfortunately, I did. I learned how damaging and dangerous were the genuine forms of gay-hate and homophobia back then. They extracted a terrible toll on gay individuals and their families. But then, that’s a very different thing from what I see bed-wetting cock$uckers like you crying about today because life is just tooooo hard.

  45. Attack Macaque says:

    Dear Republicans,
    Please, please try to get this story into the MSM. As a Democrat, I’m really hoping that Obama can break 60% in the popular vote and 400 votes in the electoral college, and maybe have a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate to go along with it. Of course, talking about the Ayers stuff while everyone else in the country is worried about the economy helped, don’t get me wrong. But pushing the story that Obama may have been sexually molested as a child, and framing HIM as the sexual aggressor, would pretty much guarantee a Democratic landslide on election day. Don’t listen to the people who tell you that pushing this story is sleazy and desperate – get the word out, as soon as possible! Make sure Drudge links it on his front page.
    P.S. Thanks for everything you’ve done thus far to facilitate Democratic victories this election cycle. Your hard work is appreciated.

  46. Hank says:

    No wonder he says “Pakit-stan” in that funny way of his! heh!
    Dan,
    Obama, like General Patraeus, uses the correct pronunciation for Pakistan.

  47. Guido says:

    “No wonder he says “Pakit-stan” in that funny way of his! heh!”
    Way to talk about the issues there Riech…..er oh it’s Riehl. Oh heck, Riech is close enough for a probable closet Nazi homo like yourself.
    And suggesting that this unsubstansiated crap is some how relevant? Now we know your nature towards blaming the victim. Not that there is one here except yourself for your obvious ignorance in many areas. One in particular being politics, where this kind of garbage can only HELP Obama get elected. Nice!

  48. Lala says:

    Ah, yes, I always talk about my travels to Roma, Firenze, Lisboa, Wien, and Paree.

  49. seekeronos says:

    “— Oh heck, Riech is close enough… —”
    If you are going to slander someone’s name, you silly sipper of elderberry juice, at least get it right:
    “Reich” is both a proper German surname as well as a reference to the regime under Mr. Hitler and his NSDAP.
    “— Ah, yes, I always talk about my travels to Roma, Firenze, Lisboa, Wien, and Paree. —”
    As for other place names, I’m still partial to thinking of Strasbourg as “Strassburg” and Alsace-Lorraine as “Elsass-Lothringen”.
    And I would not have been particularly opposed to the renaming of “Le Avenue des Champs-Élysées” in Paris as “Kaiser Karl der Grosse Strasse” in honour of the great Charlemagne, the first Holy Roman Emperor, had the Kaiser’s forces successfully prosecuted the Great War.
    But that’s just the alt-history buff in me talking. :P

  50. snaveca says:

    I can’t believe I clicked on a link and ended up here.
    What a vile bunch of of conspiracy nuts and ignorant scum.
    And it sounds like some of you seem to really identify with pedophiles…I wonder why?
    I bet most of you call yourself Christians too? What kind of whacked out version of the New Testament do YOU follow? Have you ever even READ the Bible? Not likely.

  51. Worst President Ever says:

    Hmmmm, so since the National Enquirier is such a great source, Ms. Palin really did have that affair with her husband’s partner.
    I guess that would make McCain / Palin the adulterers’ go-to ticket:
    http://www.nationalenquirer.com/national_enquirer_w
    No less than three members of the man’s family including one by sworn affidavit have claimed that Sarah Palin engaged in an extramarital affair with hus­band Todd’s former business partner, Brad Hanson. orld_exclusive_sarah_palins_secret_lover_revealed/celebrity/65481

  52. ice9 says:

    I’d like to see you apply the same deductive research skills to Palin’s time as governor as you have to Obama’s time in the clutches of a sex offender. What would we get then? Steamy affairs, swinger-governess, Bristol bong-hits on Facebook, secession from the Union, Putin’s reared head, sexual abuse of a moose, a violent dispute over copies of the Apocrypha in the Wasilla library, black helicopters and cold dead hands, a desperate struggle to save Big Diomede from having to look at Russia all the time…what fun we’d have.
    And, to offer another foreign policy axiom: If you can’t pronounce the name of a place, you are likely to fuck up your relations with that place. I used to call it “eye ran;” then I met a person from Iran and started saying it the way he did. Not that it matters–we know what you mean–but that it’s polite to let people define themselves, in everything from pronunciation on up to political self-determination. Maybe we’d be greeted with roses if we invaded Ni-jer. But the simple fact: calling a country according to your own accent and habit rather than the generally used pronunciation is the mark of a jackass who is acting on his right to say what he wants how he wants it regardless of what is right or proper.
    ice

  53. seekeronos says:

    “— But the simple fact: calling a country according to your own accent and habit rather than the generally used pronunciation is the mark of a jackass who is acting on his right to say what he wants how he wants it regardless of what is right or proper. —”
    Now this depends upon where you are at:
    If you are an American, speaking the general mid-western “newscaster” accent, you will probably follow the generally accepted American English rules of pronunciation for place names.
    Iran is typically pronounced “eye-RAN”, not “ē’rŭn”.
    Iraq is typically pronounced “eye-RACK”, not “ē’rŭck”
    Arab is pronounced either as “AY-rab” or “eh’RIB”, not “a’rŭb”
    Arabia is pronounced typically as “eh’RAY-bēē-ah”, not “a’rŭ’bīah”
    Germany is usually referred to as “Germany” and not in English as “Deutschland”.
    Japan’s native name is 日本国 “Nihon Koku”, with the second syllable occasionally voiced “Nippon” for dramatic effect but we still say “Japan”, which is actually derived from a Portuguese corruption of “Cipangu”, in turn borrowed from the Chinese word for Japan 日本国 “Ri ben guo”, or possibly corrupted from another dialect, “Zhi ben guo”.
    And it gets pronounced in English as “jī’PĂN”.
    The point of this is: when in America, speak as Americans do.
    If you feel the need to be friendly to foreigners or do business with them, then by all means, feel free to pronounce proper place names as they might expect to hear them.

  54. Jon Swift says:

    Great Moments in Election-Year Blogging

    The conservative blogosphere deserves to win a collective Pulitzer Prize for its election-year coverage.