Goodbye War In Afghanistan?

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August 31, 2009

A leaked report by General McChrystal to be presented to Obama this week looks like the beginning of a crucial turning point when it comes to Afghanistan. It labels the overall strategy basically a complete failure as it exists. While McChrystal stops short of requesting more troops in it, he's expected to do just that.

With liberal Democrats already beginning to make noise about leaving and public support becoming a growing concern, it seems clear Obama is going to have to make some key decisions. Any bets on what he'll do? I can't say I'm prepared to claim we'll be leaving just yet – but if Obama's campaign talk of exit strategies when it comes to troublesome wars is any indicator, I wouldn't be surprised if that's the way we go. Stay tuned.

The current US military strategy in Afghanistan is not working, America's top commander is expected to admit in a review to be presented to President Barack Obama in the next few days.

According to reports leaked to the BBC, General Stanley McChrystal will liken the US military to a bull charging at the matador-like Taliban and slightly weakened with each "cut" it receives. The review is also expected to confirm that protecting the Afghan people against the Taliban must be the top priority. US officials have spoken openly about the failing war effort in Afghanistan and McChrystal's report will be a distillation of their strong misgivings.



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Comments:
  1. Obama will cause Iraq and Afg to both be loses with his Nancy Boy and Chief attitude

  2. Barbara says:

    UTOH Afghanifolk must not have had access to prepaid credit cards and donated
    to his campain.
    Placing bet on him screwing Troops,Afghanis and the left.
    What is the line on that trifecta? put me down for 500 clams please

  3. Bob Sykes says:

    During the campaign, Obama repeatedly said that he would take troops out of Iraq and move them to Afganistan, which he claimed was the main theater of operations. He also repeatedly threatened to invade Pakistan’s border regions to hunt down Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders.
    What’s the old SNL line, “Never mind.”

  4. syn says:

    It appears Obama is determined to ruin all relationships with allies by giving up everything to tyrants.
    So much for JFK’s “we shall bear any burden” now that Proud Liberals are brain-dead Misery Makers.

  5. JustOneMan says:

    What did Obama know about the Lockerbee Terrorist release and when did he know it!
    Will the media finally wake up!

  6. Philip McDaniel says:

    Another cut and run episode in the making in the ongoing saga of the modern Democrat Party.

  7. reliapundit says:

    these dem doves bailed on the svg in 1975 – to yeasr after our last combat troop left.
    that led to genocide and 2 million boat people.
    they will do the same in iraq and afghanistan.

  8. RebeccaH says:

    If we abandon Afghanistan, expect al-Qaeda and the Taliban to declare victory and come roaring back with a vengeance.

  9. Don51 says:

    Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
    One of the major problems is that our military leadership is still culturally locked into the 20th Century and the Second World War. It’s forgotten its own heritage of the 19th Century and the long war with tribes on our own frontier. The Apache raids went on for decades in our southwest. Mainly because the Spanish and Mexicans never really controlled them before the US assimilated the land. The post Civil War period saw annual raids from Mexico and campaigns to chase them. The problem remained irresolvable since the Mexican government didn’t care about diplomatic opinion of Washington. When enough of the Democratic representatives from Texas finally realized their future was in jeopardy, they provided the key votes in funding the operations necessary to allow to Army to hammer the raiders to the point that it became easier for the Apache to raid within Mexico than venture across the Rio Grande. That’s when Mexico City finally took notice and actions were taken to reduce the ability of the Apache to continue their ‘life style’. That scenario is now playing out in Pakistan.
    What some people forget about Vietnam was a decent chunk of the opposition was not against the war per se. Rather, it was against the way it was being conducted. ROEs and sanctuaries that restrict killing the enemy is an anathema to American sensibilities. While it may win a few hearts and minds in the region, it will alienate support at home. That element of the public can not see the loss of good soldiers to CYA chain of commands as worth the sacrifice.

  10. Robohobo says:

    RebeccaH said:
    If we abandon Afghanistan, expect al-Qaeda and the Taliban to declare victory and come roaring back with a vengeance.
    Just like OBL predicted. Sweet, No?
    I said last year that the Commie bugger, The 0bamamnation, would get Americans killed. I was right.

  11. LB says:

    Obama doesn’t know the first thing about winning. Never has, never will.

  12. matt says:

    I just wrote the same subject up at length. LUN

  13. HalifaxCB says:

    Ted Kennedy was one of the prime movers in abandoning the South Vietnamese (resulting in 160,000+ deaths through Communist “re-education”, and over a million boat people who fled the country – the true numbers will never be known, since so many died en route. To say nothing of the millions that died in Cambodia that also died as a result). The abandonment of Afghanistan and probably Iraq to similar fates at the hands of Islamofascism, and the desecration of the sacrifice made by the soldiers from the US and other countries, could well be his legacy. When the Left cries “Do it for Ted”, the rest of us have to ask exactly what they mean.

  14. Xiaoding says:

    Obama is getting people killed right now, stopping the war stops that.
    We have already won the war, time to bring the troops home. Pshycopathic war lust is not a strategy.
    Can anyone explain WHY we are in Afghanistan? Other than bad habit? To satisfy some need to feel like we are “doing something’?
    “If we abandon Afghanistan, expect al-Qaeda and the Taliban to declare victory and come roaring back with a vengeance.”
    Yeah, just like the Nazi’s did in Germany.
    To stop a battle is not to stop the fight. 130,000 troops is not always the best option. Sometimes ZERO troops is best. How about rebuilding our nearly dead army, stocking up on ammo, putting the National Guard where it belongs, back in the states, and stop using our young people as fodder for false dreams of world safety?

  15. Xiaoding says:

    “Ted Kennedy was one of the prime movers in abandoning the South Vietnamese”.
    Don’t blame Ted for that, more like the CIA, National Security council, made that decision. Ted was just the guy on TV.
    Vietnam was a sacrifice, a signal to China, that we respected their territorial and governmental authority. This was needed, to forestall any direct conflict between the United States and China. We won the Vietnam war, in that China was contained, the surrounding countries built up enough to resist Chinese revolution. Wining the actual Vietnam battle was never in the cards.

  16. Philip McDaniel says:

    You really haven’t a clue as to what you are saying, do you ‘little man’.

  17. mark l. says:

    “130,000 troops is not always the best option. Sometimes ZERO troops is best.”
    i was always partial to the rumsfeld 25k option, myself.

  18. seekeronos says:

    Zero troops… but perhaps a few spec-ops boys in the right places. Along with the occasional hypersonic impact weapon delivered at velocity at the right time.

  19. mark l. says:

    i would contend that the increase in troop levels was in response to conditions in pakistan, not for the ‘advertised’ purpose of nation building in afghanistan.
    I’d imagine that the nuclear state of pakistan will prove infinitely more troublesome for the next 30-40 years, than the rock garden villages of AG.
    It is funny how the world loves to watch iran proceed towards a nuclear program to counter israel, without referencing india-pakistan relations. I imagine that if we walked away from afghanistan, india (and china) might take more interest in the region, or, suffer the most severe consequences.

  20. willis says:

    “What did Obama know about the Lockerbee Terrorist release and when did he know it!
    Will the media finally wake up!”
    They are not asleep. They are part of it.

  21. Xiaoding says:

    “You really haven’t a clue as to what you are saying, do you ‘little man’.”
    Enlighten us, then, oh oracle.

  22. Dick Stanley says:

    Staying in Afghan certainly doesn’t fit the rest of Barry’s foreign policy. Now Michael Yon says there’s even a shortage of helicopters for American troops. Accidental?

  23. Phyllis says:

    Whatever happened to General Petraeus?

  24. Dem’s “good war” not so good when it’s theirs

    Time for Barry to cut-and-run from Afghanistan? It certainly would fit the rest of his dictator-loving foreign policy. Leaking the latest unhappy command report to the Guardian, of all media, isn’t grounds for confidence. Meanwhile, Michael Yon says th…

  25. rickycoon says:

    Basically General McCrystal concludes that the past 8 years of war (including hundreds of American kids dead and thousands wounded) have been a complete waste. So now he wants us to send more money and more kids and try a new strategy. Brilliant.
    But how are we supposed to pay for it, since the US economy is already in the toilet and $10 trillion in debt as a result of Iraq? There’s a book by Nobel Prize winner Stiglitz called Three Trillion Dollar War that lays out how Iraq wrecked the economy – now we’re going to do it again….

  26. pashley says:

    I was an optimist on Iraq from the beginning, despite some terrible difficulties (extreme tribalism, young and unemployed population, enemy bases right next door to both east and west). I’m a pessimist on Afganistan according to what appears to be our current doctrine. Afganistan is Somalia with mountains, only people with Ivy League degrees would call it a nation. (props to Don51 up there). Not a good place for either men or material, and the whole game is being won, or lost, to the south.

  27. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest military mind of our generation.

  28. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest financial mind of our generation.

  29. mark l. says:

    hey…only 10% of america knows that it is “price to earnings” ratios, not “profit to earning”.
    can he help it if he is among the 90%?
    it’s not like he is actually responsible for anything.

  30. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest medical mind of our generation.

  31. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest industrial mind of our generation.

  32. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest legislative mind of our generation.

  33. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: the finest Constitutional mind of our generation.

  34. Koblog says:

    Barack Hussein Obama: What were his grades again?

  35. Diggs says:

    “130,000 troops is not always the best option. Sometimes ZERO troops is best.”
    Let’s see…no troops in Afghanistan on Sept 11th, 2001. Nearly 3000 Americans are killed by al Queda operatives trained and funded by an organization allowed to take over Afghanistan as a base training area.
    Nearly eight years later, the training camps are all closed in Afghanistan, al Queda operatives are dying daily in Predator/Hellfire missile attacks based on intel obtained in Afghanistan, and not a single attack on US soil since we disrupted their base of operations.
    So to summarize; zero troops in Afghanistan = nearly 3000 US civilians killed. 36,000 US troops in Afghanistan = zero US civilians killed.
    Retard.
    Are you an Obama military advisor? You could be.

  36. Xiaoding says:

    “Let’s see…no troops in Afghanistan on Sept 11th, 2001. Nearly 3000 Americans are killed by al Queda operatives trained and funded by an organization allowed to take over Afghanistan as a base training area. ”
    The 911 attackers all trained in the US, not Afghanistan. Afghanistan was irrelevant to the 911 attack.
    “Nearly eight years later, the training camps are all closed in Afghanistan”
    Oh my God, I’m am laughing so hard…really, really!! EIGHT YEARS LATER? Oh God…dude! The camps were taken out in two weeks! But ok, have it your way, the glorious US armed forces took eight years to totally destroy several tents! What next, Bloss!
    “So to summarize; zero troops in Afghanistan = nearly 3000 US civilians killed. 36,000 US troops in Afghanistan = zero US civilians killed.”
    “single attack on US soil since we disrupted their base of operations.”
    LOL, Afghanistan was not a base of operations! As for not a single attack….there have been several…the two rifle killers, the guy who attacked the LA airport, a bunch I can’t remember, and various planned attacks that did not occur due to…GOOD POLICE WORK.
    Since your facts are wrong, your conclusion is also wrong. We are wasting our countrys blood and treasure by prosecuting this mindless and useless war.

  37. carteblanche says:

    Xiaoding: Trained in the United States? Do you have someone that takes care of you, helps you read on the Internet mayhap?
    “FILM of the ringleader of the September 11 hijackers reading his “martyrdom” will inside Afghanistan at Osama Bin Laden’s headquarters has emerged five years after the Al-Qaeda outrage.”
    What a cumsponge.

  38. Ecotech USA says:

    It’s a tough decision to get out of that war because it has been 8 years with no end fight at this time, no back-out. I salute the U.S. soldiers who are fighting there in Afghanistan.

  39. Xiaoding says:

    “FILM of the ringleader of the September 11 hijackers reading his “martyrdom” will inside Afghanistan at Osama Bin Laden’s headquarters has emerged five years after the Al-Qaeda outrage.”
    So he was in Afghanistan? WHO CARES. Did the planes fly from Afghanistan, and then attack the US? Don’t think so. The organisation, the flight raining, the practice runs, all took place in the US.
    Al Queda is not a country, it has no territory, it is not a “thing” that you can bomb. Stop living in the past, this is not WWII.

  40. carteblanche says:

    Nice change of subject. We’ve already tried it your way dipshit, “Oh terrorism is a policing matter! call the FBI on Bin Laden” – notice how no one connected Ramsi Yousef (I’m sure you’ll need to google) to KSM despite them being related until after his capture? Might have been important to know, although I’m sure you’ll disagree.
    HURR DURR TERRORISTS ARE A JOB FOR INTERPOL DERP.

  41. Xiaoding says:

    “We’ve already tried it your way dipshit”.
    Well, you don’t know what my way is, do you?
    You just keep puting your words in my mouth, then shooting down your straw mwn. Good job, we are all safer for it! NOT.

  42. carteblanche says:

    Well lets see.
    Al-Qaeda leadership in hiding, segmented for security, unable to communicate effectively.
    Removed from safety and protection in Afghanistan.
    The head of military operations captured twice, twenty+ top tier personalities killed or captured.
    Terrorist camps and training ability destroyed.
    Golden chain broken, finances traced and frozen,
    Al-Qaeda attacks limited to “In name only” in Iraq, carried out by former Saddams Fedayeen fighters and Ba’athist regime leadership and Saudi dupes.
    Al-Qaeda unable to operate in South East Asia, Al-Qaeda allies such as Abu Sayyaf also disrupted and stopped.
    Yeah we’re all in imminent pant-shitting danger from Al-Qaeda, who have been unable to do anything but release bin-Laden “greatest hit” videos since 2002. Lets change strategies quick, this one isn’t working!!! Stupid hippy.

  43. Xiaoding says:

    All for mere trillions! But, you only explained the first week. What about the rest of the eight years of useless war?
    You will never comprehend, that there just might be a better way of doing things. Every troop killed over there was mudered by ignorance and incompetence.

  44. carteblanche says:

    I honestly feel like I’m taunting the mentally impaired here; If there were no more enemies, or threats we would not there for eight years. First the liberals accuse President Bush of fighting a war “on the cheap” and now of course its “too expensive.”
    You dishonor the memory of soldiers who believed in what they were fighting for, you spineless jerk — all from the comfort of your laz-e boy via your cheeto dust, and semen soaked keyboard.
    How about you educate us about this “better way” jerk off, but looking at it you have little comprehension of history:
    “”If we abandon Afghanistan, expect al-Qaeda and the Taliban to declare victory and come roaring back with a vengeance.” Yeah, just like the Nazi’s did in Germany.”
    Of course ignoring the fact that Germany was a state, who were completely militarily defeated, and were physically separated into two countries, administered by the allies, and occupied for numerous years even after the war was over. However it is obvious the taliban is amassing power over the Pakistani border, and would easily overrun a fledgling Afghan government but feel free to educate us on this “Better way” tosser — I have a feeling your reply will be another subject change or trite talking point.

  45. Xiaoidng says:

    There’s a lot to work with here…too bad my opponenet is unarmed in the battle of wits. I will interject the text:
    “I honestly feel like I’m taunting the mentally impaired here;”
    Then stop hitting yourself
    “If there were no more enemies, or threats we would not there for eight years. ”
    You are a very, very, trusting soul. Has it ever occured to you, that the govenment can lie? Or just be flat out stupid and incompetent? This country was not founded by people who trusted the government, why do you accept everything they say without question?
    First the liberals accuse President Bush of fighting a war “on the cheap” and now of course its “too expensive.””
    What does liberalism have to do with the war, or the criticism therof?
    “You dishonor the memory of soldiers who believed in what they were fighting for, you spineless jerk — all from the comfort of your laz-e boy via your cheeto dust, and semen soaked keyboard.”
    Well, you dishonor them, by wasting their lives, in a useless and stupid war, going on years after we have achieved victory, using their lives to…do what? Their blood is on your hands. I also doubt they appreciate your defense, you have only shown your true personality, and it’s not pretty.
    “How about you educate us about this “better way” jerk off, but looking at it you have little comprehension of history:
    “”If we abandon Afghanistan, expect al-Qaeda and the Taliban to declare victory and come roaring back with a vengeance.” Yeah, just like the Nazi’s did in Germany.”
    Of course ignoring the fact that Germany was a state, who were completely militarily defeated, and were physically separated into two countries,”
    Al Queda is not a state, we have also destoyed their base of operations. This was accomplished in two weeks. There is no need to adminster anything, it seems, that Afghanistan is not even our country, and it can take care of itself, as though it is populated by adults and stuff. Why are we in Afghanistan, when Al Queda is not?
    “administered by the allies, and occupied for numerous years even after the war was over. However it is obvious the taliban is amassing power over the Pakistani border,”
    Oh God, they will ALWAYS be doing that! SEND YOUR OWN KIDS OVER THERE TO DIE FOR YOUR FEAR! Run your own war!
    “and would easily overrun a fledgling Afghan government”
    Mommy! Mommy!
    “but feel free to educate us on this “Better way” tosser — I have a feeling your reply will be another subject change or trite talking point.”
    Better way: get the army back here, rebuild it, enlarge it, keep the National Guard where it belongs-here! Any Soviet General who even suggested using the Soviet NG on other countries, would have been shot. They had more respect for their soldiers, though, than we do. Make FRIENDS abroad, not enemys. If you don’t think that matters, just wait the Chinese are doing exactly this, and in ten years will have friends all over the world. They won’t have to send armies, people wil fight FOR THEM. The Chinese are smart, nowadays. The days of fighting the enemy abroad, to keep them away from here, are gone, history, over! The days on nation building, also, OVER. We must adopt a defensive stategy, make friends, send out spies, use our advantages, and husband our recources, not waste trillions doing nothng. Many, many more US soldiers will die later on, from the waste that you espouse today. Afghanistan has been Pearl Harbor in the desert.
    Taliban of today, is not the Taliban of the past Your cowardice is astounding-are you so afraid of guys in tents, who have no money? At least you have zero confidence in our military, that we can agree on. They were, and still are, totally unable to defend us against another 911 style attack. Why is that? Our great army, impotent to stop the kind of attack that started the war? Doesn’t that seem kind of…wrong? Does it not point to total, complete incompetence? Only our police services and intellignce services, stop that from happening. POLICE.

  46. carteblanche says:

    >You are a very, very, trusting soul. Has it ever occured to you, that the govenment can lie?
    Right, there are no more enemies – all the footage from the war, and international footage of Pakistani attacks have all been faked.
    Please put down prisonplanet, and your crack pipe.
    >Well, you dishonor them, by wasting their lives, in a useless and stupid war
    Two failed states, that harbored international terrorists and gave material support to terrorists ruled by tyrants who oppressed and killed their civilian population have now have been deposed, terrorists killed, or captured and free elections given to people that haven’t seen democracy in decades – useless? you’re a human garbage receptacle.
    >Oh God, they will ALWAYS be doing that! SEND YOUR OWN KIDS OVER THERE TO DIE FOR YOUR FEAR! Run your own war!
    No defense to your failed history lesson on Germany? MUST CHANGE SUBJECT
    >Any Soviet General who even suggested using the Soviet NG on other countries, would have been shot.
    No need, they had an army made up of conscripts they had plenty of military. I suppose you now support a mandatory draft hippy?
    >They had more respect for their soldiers, though
    Right, like exposing them to deadly radiation with no protection at Chenobyl, using them to guard prisons or the routine beatings and sexual humiliation that occur to conscripts as reported by human rights watch, lots of respect all round there, genius.
    >Make FRIENDS abroad, not enemys.
    LOL Seriously? New foreign policy: Hugs, not bombs!
    >If you don’t think that matters, just wait the Chinese are doing exactly this , and in ten years will have friends all over the world.
    Yes, along with shipping arms and propping up terrorist regimes, and rogue nations like North Korea, Iran all while denying human rights to their own people and killing political dissidents and this is the model to emulate? what a douchebag you are.
    >Taliban of today, is not the Taliban of the past Your cowardice is astounding-are you so afraid of guys in tents, who have no money?
    19 of them killed 3,000 civilians dickbreath – and captured the Government of two countries.
    >At least you have zero confidence in our military, that we can agree on.
    Yep, the one that I acknowledged has thoroughly devastated Al-Qaeda in my early posts? Now you have to resort to lies? awesome you know you’ve lost.
    > Why is that? Our great army, impotent to stop the kind of attack that started the war?
    Bin Laden is running from Bill Clinton’s use of the FBI, or George Bush’s use of the U.S Military? What attacks inside the United States has Al-Qaeda done since 2001? I think we can say strategy is working asshole.
    >Doesn’t that seem kind of…wrong? Does it not point to total, complete incompetence? Only our police services and intellignce services, stop that from happening. POLICE.
    Yep, the same POLICE Bill Clinton used in the Cole bombing? Embassy bombings, or the first World Trade Center bombing? They did an awesome job collecting the bodies, and eye witness reports – they missed a link between 9/11 and the first embassy bombing and allowed one of the bombers to flee to Iraq where he remained until the invasion, but what the hell? YOUR WAY HAS BEEN TRIED BY BILL CLINTON, AND FAILED. THREE THOUSAND PEOPLE DIED ASSHOLE, WHAT PART OF THAT IS FOREIGN TO YOU?

  47. carteblanche says:

    Lets rely on the intelligence services, they missed 9/11, the fall of the soviet union, gave incorrect intelligence on Iraq weapons of mass destruction BUT GIVE THEM ONE MORE CHANGE TO PROTECT US!!!!!
    what a dope, seriously.

  48. Xiaoidng says:

    Spending trillions, to protect no one, is not a way to win a war. It is the way, however, to wind up like Spain after the Armada sunk. “Spain” is a county, and the “Armada” was a flet of ships it had. Once. YOU ARE DESTROYING THIS COUNTRY TO SAVE IT.
    It is the police who are stopping attacks today, not the military. You keep saying we have had no attacks, that is not true. But don’t let the truth interfrere with your actions, that would be inconsistent.

  49. carteblanche says:

    >Spending trillions, to protect no one, is not a way to win a war.
    The same argument was used by liberals about the Cold War. They repeated the same oft mantra: “The Cold War is unwinnable!” ,”American imperialism is driving Russia to create Weapons!”, “We’re bankrupting the country with our weapon programs!” Much like the same idiotic drivel you are now courting liberals wanted “understanding”, “nuclear freezes”,” nuclear disarmament” and “treaties” – after all, Soviet Russia wouldn’t be so bad if it wasn’t for America they espoused. You were all wrong then, as history tells and you’re wrong again.
    >It is the police who are stopping attacks today
    You mean all the attacks that were stopped to date, due to the Al-Qaeda terrorists that were captured and interrogated by the United States military? The U.S military have captured, or killed more wanted international terrorists in eight years, than the FBI has in two decades. The majority of the CIA’s covert operations in the war zones via the “Special Reconnaissance” and “Special Activities Division” are all carried out by U.S Special Forces operators NOT CIA field operatives. Terrorists like Al-Qaeda have been militarily defeated before – however the U.S domestic police services were unable to stop, or penetrate two-bit terrorist organizations such as the “Weather Underground”, “ALF” or “ELF” and now you expect them to stop a well-funded,well armed, foreign terrorist organization? In 2001 a biological attack, that could only have carried out by a handful of men with access to the military lab where the Anthrax strain was stored, with the knowledge of how to weaponize it occurred. It took the FBI SEVEN YEARS to solve; Five of which they spent following a Doctor who had never even worked with Anthrax.
    I’ll ask you again, please explain how this plan of “yours” is different from 1993 when the United States military were all in this country and the domestic FBI, and Police along with the CIA missed the attack on the World Trade Center? How is your response different from the token Tomahawk missiles that Clinton sent to empty tents in the Afghan desert? How is it different when Bill Clinton turned down Bin Laden being surrendered into American Custody by Somalia on advice of the DOJ?
    Please also explain why your much lauded FBI do not consider the “Beltway Snipers” to be related to foreign terrorist organizations, and have found nothing to even connect them to Al-Qaeda but you consider them to be “terrorist attacks” by Al-Qaeda?
    PROVE ME WRONG ASSHOLE, STOP CHANGING THE SUBJECT.