It’s Un-Patriotic To Question “The One”

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August 10, 2009

Oh, lawd! Who knew. Questioning the WH during a war like Iraq, when American lives are at risk in real-time – well, that's just a display of one's patriotism. But questioning O-Dumbo and getting his ears all a'fllapin' over health care … well, you're obviously un-patriotic, un-American and most likely one of those gosh danged racists, too.

However, it is now evident that an ugly campaign is underway not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue. These tactics have included hanging in effigy one Democratic member of Congress in Maryland and protesters holding a sign displaying a tombstone with the name of another congressman in Texas, where protesters also shouted "Just say no!" drowning out those who wanted to hold a substantive discussion.

Do these morons consult Disney to help them flesh out what a caricature of a responsible member of government should look like and how one should act? They're so transparent they must then haul the plans off to Anderson Windows to construct.

These people are a joke.

Only Obama can tell people to shut up. And if you don't do it, or worse, say shut up to the mostly lying opposition in return, then maybe we should build a camp for people like you. Man, this idiot can't leave office soon enough. And some of his useless, useful idiots like Hoyer and Pelosi need to mount the bus out of town with him, provided he hasn't tossed them under it first earlier in the route.

See here for scores of blogs weighing in on this one. Pick your own blogs and have a ball. And for fellows, do it while you have some of those left. This administration wants to neuter the competition and stifle all reasonable debate. Wimmens, sorry, but you're on your own. And be careful. We learned from the primaries what a misogynist Obama is.



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Comments:
  1. Elmo says:

    It’s an incredibly simple equation. I no longer go to the movies. F*ck Hollywood (I adored film, and was quite the amateur cutter). I no longer buy/rent new/retail DVD’s (the library ain’t the worst place to get your pablum).
    I still occasionally pop for the down market, off the beaten memory path, new for a dollar specials [was at Walgreens a couple weeks ago, and they were on sale … ten for a dollar (so I broke the bank, and bought ten!)].
    And will on occasion grap up one or two used at the fleah market, for a couple bucks each. But I will NEVER watch Tom Hanks again. Ever. Period (AMFYOYO).
    Not American? Try it to my face b*tches!!

  2. Proud Liberal says:

    “Man, this idiot can’t leave office soon enough.”
    I hope you can wait 7 1/2 years because he is going to be around for a long long time. His popularity is still very high and there is no opposition. The Republicans are incredibly unpopular with the American public. The economy is getting better. The stock market is skyrocketing under Obama. The unemployment numbers are heading in the right direction. The stimulus is already working and only a small fraction of it has been spent. Health care reform WILL pass in one form or another, with or without Republicans. Sotomayor in on the bench. Franken in the Senate. We just killed the number 1 Taliban leader in Afghanistan. And he kills pirates when they mess with the US. Don’t get much better than that. Things are really going well for Obama.
    I know you all HATE it when America does good. It must kill you all the positive things that are happening – such patriots you are. Keep praying for bad news for America, it is the only chance you have.

  3. Hyman Roth says:

    “I hope you can wait 7 1/2 years because he is going to be around for a long long time.”
    Dear Loud Drivel,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor's_New_Clothes
    Plot summary
    An emperor of a prosperous city who cares more about clothes than military pursuits or entertainment hires two swindlers who promise him the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they tell him, is invisible to anyone who was either stupid or unfit for his position. The Emperor cannot see the (non-existent) cloth, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing stupid; his ministers do the same. When the swindlers report that the suit is finished, they dress him in mime. The Emperor then goes on a procession through the capital showing off his new “clothes”. During the course of the procession, a small child cries out, “But he has nothing on!” The crowd realizes the child is telling the truth. The Emperor, however, holds his head high and continues the procession.
    (Psst! You aren’t the child in that story)

  4. bandit says:

    9.4% unemployment – real good – record deficit – real good – second stimulus and gov’t health care to bankrupt country – real good. Obama popularity dropping like a rock – that is real good.

  5. Proud Liberal says:

    not nice suggesting Dan is a child.

  6. Nishner says:

    Yeah, if you’re going to show up at Townhalls simply to intimidate, disrupt and shout down any real discussion and debate, then yeah, it’s UnAmerican.
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/08/07/town-hall-meeting-on-health-care-turns-ugly/

  7. mark l. says:

    “an ugly campaign”?
    I thought that was a reference to Obama’s strategy in Afghanistan, but since hoyer and pelosi are willing to address the public on it, it can’t really be about something important or consequential.

  8. rrpjr says:

    The “un-American” line was inevitable. They’re Leftists. There is nothing else they can say, no other options for them now than the annihilation of dissent. But that isn’t the most dismal part of all this. Rather, that would be how few conservative leaders understand who they are fighting or how to fight them. At a time when one side is assuming all the dimensions of Orwell’s vision, the other stumbles, parses and apologizes its way toward irrelevance. Where is George Bush today, or Michael Steele, John McCain — anybody? This is no longer about the “integrity of public discourse”; it’s about fascism.

  9. mark l. says:

    “I hope you can wait 7 1/2 years because he is going to be around for a long long time.”
    you are right. 3.5 years and he only be about as significant as carter.
    7.5 and he will serve as the poster child of the ineptitude of liberal philosophy for all of history.
    two terms? 10 trillion in debt, by his own projections. 1.2 trillion deficit in his final year of his second term.
    what a freakin’ winner.
    i think limbuagh just wanted obama to fail. i want him to take the entire liberal wing of the democrat party with him. I need this turd in office for two terms. bankrupting the country will probably be the only method of sobering us up for the very long haul, gop included.
    perhaps we really did need obama, but not for leadership…

  10. anonymous says:

    Yup, talk about universal health care was all the rage back in 1912.
    They called it Eugenics.

  11. Nishner says:

    Hoping that Obama will fail so spectacularly he essentially destroys that country. Another Proud, Proud Conservative heard from.
    Fear not though, you can pretty much take anything Mark I predicts, flip it and find the real truth.
    And yeah, fixing the Bush Depression is hard work and will take awhile.

  12. Patrick Bateman says:

    Priceless. All we heard from proud winger patriots during W’s reign of stupidity and evil was that questioning the president on ANYTHING during a time of war was tantamount to treason. It was sedition and hurt the troops! we were told. In any event, the false equivalence is predictable. No one is saying that Obama can’t be questioned or criticized. The objection is to the thuggery perpetrate by mindless wingers at the behest of their corporate masters at townhall events, with the stated goal of shutting down discussion and intimidating members of congress and their supporters. You know this, which makes you a liar. OR you don’t know this which makes you grossly uninformed. I am egalitarian so I am willing to say that it’s 50-50. Meanwhile, if you want a “joker,” I suggest you look to the “real deal”:
    http://www.spunangel.com/uploaded_images/stry-798767.jpg
    Fascism is YOU. Advocates of violence and intimidation to upend the lawful democratic process simply because you can’t accept that a black fella is president is how our representative system falls apart. If you can’t persuade without threatening, violence, and flat out lying about the president’s proposals you have nothing – which is what sane folks already know about you.

  13. syn says:

    Nishner
    How do you feel about bullhorns blasting in your ear?
    http://www.lookingattheleft.com/2009/08/pelosi-astroturf-healthcare/
    Un-American: Obama’s Organized America at work paid between $11 to $16 per hour to lug their thugs across America on behalf of their Organizer-in-Chief-of-Thieves.

  14. Nishner says:

    Outside the TownHall, you can do whatever you want. But showing up with the express of getting into the Townhall and disrupting it so no one can actually talk about health care reform is UnAmerican.

  15. mark l. says:

    ahhh… more delusional fantasies from another lefty…
    my favorite quote from obama?
    “America is the wealthiest country” on the face of the earth.
    we just moved our debt ceiling to 12.5 trillion. Nominally, we are the poorest countries on the face of the planet. For obama to dleude himself into believing that is a ‘sign of wealth’ is just too good. We are probably better off than most modern countries, comparing debt to gdp, but how long does that last at this rate?
    you get wealthy by producing things you need and sell.
    if obama has a plan for actually making money, as opposed to spending it, I’m all ears.
    If obama was spending our wealth to make things better, he wouldn’t be that bad of a guy. The problem is that he has to borrow money, faster, than any previous president, to buy thing that will drive us further into debt, for the sake of his legacy.
    supposing we are the wealthiest country, his means of creating a revenue is to tax earnings for a year, but leaving everything that is owned by the rich, in their pockets? tax the producers, but leave the real rich alone?
    “flat out lying about the president’s proposals”
    sorry dude, he is the one that is lying. telling us his plan isn’t for a single payer system, when his own words and party members are telling us the opposite.
    do you honestly believe he doesn’t support a single payer system?

  16. mark l. says:

    “Fear not though, you can pretty much take anything Mark I predicts…”
    i’m using OBAMA’S BUDGET PREDICTIONS.
    my own prediction is that he clears a national debt of 25 trillion at the end of his 2nd term, if left alone.
    keep chugging the koolaid…

  17. Hyman Roth says:

    “All we heard from proud winger patriots during W’s reign of stupidity and evil was that questioning the president on ANYTHING during a time of war was tantamount to treason.”
    That never happened. If it did, you would have documented it when you made this specious claim. Stop lying.
    “No one is saying that Obama can’t be questioned or criticized.”
    Actually, Obama is saying exactly that: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess do a lot of talking. I want them to get out of the way so we can clean up the mess. I don’t mind cleaning up after them, but don’t do a lot of talking.”
    Such a nice straw man the 0bamateur trotted out with that statement, accusing senior citizens who don’t want to have their healthcare taken away as being responsible for “creat[ing] the mess”.
    Try learning some facts, and being more honest, when you comment.

  18. Proud Liberal says:

    Does anyone remember what was said about the Dixie Chicks when all they dared say was that they were embarrassed to be from Texas like the President. They were vilified by the right. For what again? they said they were embarrassed to be from Texas. That’s it. They didn’t call him a racist. They didn’t call him a fascist. They didn’t say he hates black people. They didn’t say anything close to what is said about Obama by the unhinged right every day in blogs like this. But, they were un-patriotic Americans that received tons of death threats for their un-American comment. I guess one is only allowed to criticize a President if you are on the right. Wow.. how hypocritical can the right be.

  19. syn says:

    ” No one is saying that Obama can’t be questioned or criticized.”
    How come we have not seen hide nor hair of Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, ANSWER, United for Peace and Justice since January 20, 2009?
    I’m curious since Obama is continuing ‘Bush’s War’ and has yet to close Gitmo, whatever happened to the ‘bush lied’ crowd now that Obama is in charge?
    Where are MSNBC’s body counts?
    How come Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are not going after Obama for breaking his campaign promises to end the war and close Gitmo?

  20. Amy Neal says:

    “…simply because you can’t accept that a black fella is president is how our representative system falls apart.”
    Posted by: Patrick Bateman | Monday, August 10, 2009 at 11:16 AM
    Easily the most asinine, ignorant comment ever made on this blog.

  21. Proud Liberal says:

    hymen said, “That never happened. If it did, you would have documented it when you made this specious claim. Stop lying.”
    hey Hymen, you gotta be kidding right? You want documentation? I’ll give you documentation out your ass if you want. You can start here:
    NewsMax led the charge in a Thursday story:
    “How depraved can the liberal media be? How despicable? How utterly anti-American?
    The New York Times, the flagship of the liberal elites, the group that helped lead us to this mess, the same cabal that had only nice things to say about Bill Clinton, opened up a ferocious broadside against President Bush today — in the middle of one of the worst crises ever to hit our country.”
    NewsMax’s Dan Frisa, meanwhile, is the one who uses the T-word:
    “The despicable traitors have made it their mission to undercut the authority of President Bush during America’s darkest hour, proving themselves even more cowardly than the terrorist murderers who are the only beneficiaries of such contemptible conduct.”
    That’s only the beginning of NewsMax’s list. As Frisa notes, using that T-word again:
    “This same treasonous song is, of course, being sung by other leftist media egotists such as Canadian Peter Jennings, democrat Dan Rather, society boy Tom Brokaw, sniveling Howard Fineman of Newsweek, pedantic Brian Williams of MSNBC and too-cute by half Katie Couric, among dozens of others.” A Thursday NewsMax article by Wes Vernon, in addition to taking pains to point out that Peter Jennings is “a Canadian,” also name-checks Washington Post columnist Mary McGrory.
    Another NewsMax article goes after columnist Maureen Dowd:
    “She and her like seem to think it’s more important that they – and terrorists – know where the president is at all times. … Maureen, take a Valium. Or two, or three, or 50.” Being urged to commit suicide is, to say the least, a bit of a comedown for Dowd, whom NewsMax thought well enough of her a couple years back to repeat an allegation that Hillary Clinton once called her a “short Irish bitch.”
    NewsMax columnist Phil Brennan runs down the usual suspects:
    “While Washington scurries about looking for appropriate targets for retaliation against America’s enemies, I have a few suggestions for Mr. Bush about who he ought to put in the nation’s cross hairs: Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Andrea Mitchell, the New York Times, Mary McGrory, The Washington Post and all the other Benedict Arnolds* in the anti-American media rat pack mindlessly attacking President Bush.”
    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2001/treason.html

  22. mark l. says:

    “Outside the TownHall, you can do whatever you want.”
    so nish, what was your take of the Jersey girls performance when condi rice testifed at the 9/11 commission?
    code pink at the state of the union?
    do you want me to believe that they were there, on their own, to make assholes of themselves, or do you accpet that members of congress were facilitating their behavior?
    Sometimes you can serve a sh*t sandwich, and sometimes, you have to eat one.
    bon appetite.

  23. rrpjr says:

    Mr. Bateman: use your rich liberal imagination and try to hypothesize how you would feel if George Bush met with his zealous supporters from the Moral Majority and exhorted them to “push back twice as hard” against those exercising their First Amendment rights to civilly protest Iraq war funding at townhall meetings (such meetings being their only recourse in a media culture not only overwhelmingly supportive of the war and Bush but unanimously derisive of all anti-war dissent), and the next day a young black dissenter quietly handing out T-shirts outside one of these events was called a “nigger”, punched in the face, kicked and sent to the hospital by three members of the Moral Majority wearing uni-colored T shirts. I know it’s tough, but try.
    In any case, I understand Psycho-Political Monthly is conducting a research study on the psychological phenomenon of projection. Your post might qualify you for participation and a small stipend.

  24. syn says:

    Proud Liberal
    What say you about the fact that Obama broke two campaign promise he made to you, you know, his promise to end the war and close Gitmo?
    Obama campaigned on these promises to you and you voted for these promises, do you feel like he is lying to you or do you now believe Obama is good because he is, you know your own Liberal meme toward GWB since 2003, ‘killing brown people for oooiiiillll’.
    Obama lied to you, right to your face, boldfaced lie; the war has not ended and Gitmo will not be closed.
    Yet, here you are defending him. Why?

  25. Nishner says:

    You mean these folks?
    “Fox News just showed footage of Code Pink protesting outside the Hay-Adams hotel in DC where Obama is staying, demanding that he condemn Israel. Fox also reported that Code Pink plans to be there every day until the end of Obama’s stay.”
    “Remember Cindy Sheehan? She won national media attention for camping outside President Bush’s Crawford Texas Ranch protesting Bush’s war policies. She’s back, this time calling for protests against what is now Obama’s war, and taking members of the anti-war movement to task for putting party politics over peace.”
    “United for Peace and Justice urges you to call the White House and the Congress to let them know that continued occupation cannot solve the problems facing Iraq — and in fact, the presence of U.S. troops exacerbates the problem.”

  26. mark l. says:

    “Does anyone remember what was said about the Dixie Chicks when all they dared say was that they were embarrassed to be from Texas like the President.”
    population of Texas?
    24 million.
    popualtion of the united states?
    296 million.
    but the dixie chicks weren’t talking about anyone else, right?

  27. syn says:

    “They didn’t say he hates black people.”
    Lie. You are a Boldfaced Liar Proud Liberal.
    In fact on NBC, during prime time, the famous celebrity popstar Kanye West openly stated “George Bush hates black people” during a fundraiser for Katrina. Remember, Mayor Nagin left those school buses to drown in his chocolate city.
    Proud Liberal what humiliation comes your way; now suck on it.

  28. Patrick Bateman says:

    “That never happened. If it did, you would have documented it when you made this specious claim. Stop lying.”
    Bullshit. It’s well-known to any honest person. It doesn’t require documenting for your consumption. See, Dixie Chicks; and Ann Coulter’s “Treason” for just the painfully obvious examples. Google “liberal” and “treason” for a second round. GO back to 2004 and the questioning of John Kerry’s patriotism by the assholes who control you. Go back to Ari Fleischer telling Americans that they need to watch what they say in a time of war. This was mainstream GOP fascism at work for 8 years.
    “I’m curious since Obama is continuing ‘Bush’s War’ and has yet to close Gitmo, whatever happened to the ‘bush lied’ crowd now that Obama is in charge?
    Where are MSNBC’s body counts?
    How come Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews are not going after Obama for breaking his campaign promises to end the war and close Gitmo?”
    Maybe you should actually watch Olbermann for one, rather than listening to Rush’s intoxicated ramblings. He regularly criticizes Obama for such things. Again, you either don’t know which makes you uninformed or DO know, which makes you a liar.
    Back to the actual point at hand: no one is saying that Obama should not or cannot be criticized. You can’t pull up any examples of ANY mainstream folks who say otherwise.
    Re Obama – black: “Easily the most asinine, ignorant comment ever made on this blog.”
    No, just the most painfully obvious. Wingers would not be acting like such unhinged children if this were not the case.

  29. Patrick Bateman says:

    Ann Coulter calling for the poisoning of Supreme Court justices who disagreed with her. Calling for terrorists to attack the NY Times. The Malkin thing calling the publication of pictures of Cheney’s and Rummy’s houses some measure of treason.
    “Mr. Bateman: use your rich liberal imagination and try to hypothesize how you would feel if George Bush met with his zealous supporters from the Moral Majority and exhorted them to “push back twice as hard” against those exercising their First Amendment rights to civilly protest Iraq war funding at townhall meetings (such meetings being their only recourse in a media culture not only overwhelmingly supportive of the war and Bush but unanimously derisive of all anti-war dissent)”
    Free speech zones. Etc.
    “and the next day a young black dissenter quietly handing out T-shirts outside one of these events was called a “nigger”, punched in the face, kicked and sent to the hospital by three members of the Moral Majority wearing uni-colored T shirts. I know it’s tough, but try.”
    Try producing ANY evidence of this accusation. We’ve all seen the video. It does not support your idiotic version of the event. Once again, you either know what you are saying is not true or you don’t. Either a liar or a misinformed tool. Which are you? I’m guessing you support the idiotic lie of “death panels.” True or lie?

  30. mark l. says:

    “I’m curious since Obama is continuing ‘Bush’s War’ and has yet to close Gitmo, whatever happened to the ‘bush lied’ crowd now that Obama is in charge?”
    how are those libs who were advocating war crimes trials for Bush et al, fairing?
    your own liberal admin is dismissing your conspiracy theories, with their inaction.
    good to see the gwot is over, with over 40 dead in afghanistan for july, and twice the troop deployment.
    benchmarks? timetables?
    or more infamously,
    “how do you ask a man to be the last to die for…”. I won’t being hanging afghanistan in the loss column for our army, just for the admin that oversaw it.

  31. democratsarefascists says:

    Well, after all, when it comes to being un-American, Democrats ARE the experts.
    So I guess I’m un-American.
    But since the current government ensures that this is NOT AMERICA anymore, the double negative cancels out and I’m a better American than any Democrat.
    (Yeah, I know, but it makes more sense than anything a Democrat ever said.)

  32. Patrick Bateman says:

    “how are those libs who were advocating war crimes trials for Bush et al, fairing?”
    Holder is about to appoint a prosecutor. I know, after all of 6 months, Bush’s messes should already be cleaned up, but ….
    In any event, funny how once the male cheerleader isn’t in office any longer, wingers suddenly dont sing the war praises any longer. Actually not funny. Predictable. See e.g., Clinton and “wag the dog.” Wingers only Support the Troops! when one of their boys is in power, as we all know.

  33. Ellis Wyatt says:

    “His popularity is still very high and there is no opposition. The Republicans are incredibly unpopular with the American public. The economy is getting better. The stock market is skyrocketing under Obama. The unemployment numbers are heading in the right direction. The stimulus is already working and only a small fraction of it has been spent.”
    No opposition? Let me tell you a little story. I bought a sticker with “Socialism Is Not The Answer” for my car. In the 3-4 months that I’ve had it on, I’ve been stopped six different times by complete strangers, asking me where they could get one. And I live in liberal New York!
    The economy is getting better? Unemployment is “heading in the right direction”? You think 9.4% unemployment is something to be proud of? You should read this link:
    http://clivecrook.theatlantic.com/archives/2009/08/good_news_on_unemployment.php
    “Perhaps the loudest cheering over the BLS report was because the unemployment rate improved from 9.5% in June to 9.4% in July. But let’s look at how the net flows behind that calculation break down. The BLS only counts you as “unemployed” if you both (1) don’t have a job and (2) have taken active steps within the last 4 weeks to try to find a job. According to the household survey from which the unemployment rate is constructed, there were 155,000 Americans on net who quit or lost their jobs in July but didn’t immediately look for a new job, so those people newly without jobs don’t contribute positively to a higher unemployment rate. And 267,000 Americans who reported themselves to be unemployed in June still weren’t working in July but had also stopped actively looking for a job, so they’re no longer counted as unemployed. That last development is the reason the unemployment rate went down. But given the current environment, it’s hardly appropriate to interpret the fact that many people have simply stopped looking for jobs as reflecting an improving economy. Unless we get much better employment reports in September and October than we did in August, the unemployment rate is sure to climb back up.”
    And what makes you think the stimulus is working? The same logic that says Cash for Clunkers is working?

  34. lonetown says:

    These same jackholes who wanted to rush a bill through before the August recess are braying that they now want a reasoned discussion. Obviously their constituency has realized they need some education before they vote.
    If you can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen!

  35. What makes this funny, Ellis; the Obama Party and their shits like Proud Liberal and Patrick Bateman were screaming bloody murder over that before.
    http://www.jobbankusa.com/News/Unemployment/unemploy61704a.html
    They used to say it was a lie, that these workers should be counted.
    Now when doing so would make their lying thug Obama look even worse, they cook the books, engaging in exactly the behavior they criticized before.
    You have to remember that Proud Liberal and Patrick Bateman are brainwashed idiots who are incapable of criticizing their Obama.

  36. syn says:

    Who Proud Liberal must be:
    http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/from-joe-the-plumber-to-kenneth-the-drama-queen/
    Mocking a man now in a wheelchair after he was beaten by Organized American thugs.

  37. What’s even funnier is that they invoke Joe the Plumber, given how Barack Obama illegally searched government records for dirt on him, publicized how Joe had a tax lien and that made him an awful person, and then proceeded to hire and endorse tax cheats like Daschle, Solis, Sebelius, Geithner, and Charlie Rangel.
    Actually, the last is a good one; let’s watch Proud Liberal spin itself into a frenzy trying to explain why Barack Obama believes Obama Party members don’t have to pay the taxes that they levy on everyone else.
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html
    People know that the black Obama does this. That’s why Americans are becoming more racist, given that Proud Liberal defines being racist as criticizing or opposing anything that Barack Obama does.

  38. Ellis Wyatt says:

    “Now when doing so would make their lying thug Obama look even worse, they cook the books, engaging in exactly the behavior they criticized before.”
    That seems to be their modus operandi for pretty much everything.

  39. syn says:

    Patrick Bateman
    President Obama’s specific campaign promises were to “end the war” and “close Gitmo”; I never recall any campaign promise to prosecute prior administrations.
    How come you are not Code Pink protesting President Obama for lying to your face about his campaign promise to end the war and close Gitmo?

  40. mark l. says:

    “Holder is about to appoint a prosecutor. I know, after all of 6 months, Bush’s messes should already be cleaned up, but ….”
    wow. hope you are stocked up on socks and criso. your faith in the admin a wonder to behold. maybe they can use the same room to hold the hearings on the club wielding black panthers from philly.
    crediblity? gone.
    obama? th guy who said he was going to “spread the wealth around”?
    were 12.5 trillion in debt, going on 20 trillion. where is that wealth he was talking about?
    what “wealth” is there to spread around? dude didn’t know what a p/e ratio is, how many states there are, or that he was NOT on the banking committee. We might as well have elected a creationist, becuase the messiah thinks that money grows on trees.
    in some ways it does, but obama’s plan is to chop down those “money trees” for firewood.

  41. xerocky says:

    “And yeah, fixing the Bush Depression is hard work and will take awhile.”
    Yeah, but fixing the Obama depression will take forever.

  42. rrpjr says:

    Based on these unusually hysterical and especially counter-factual responses from the Left today, be assured they’re in trouble and know it.
    Since the Left always retreats to their redoubt of Bush hatred in difficult moments, let’s indulge them. In eight years of power George Bush was faultlessly gracious in conceding the right of dissent to the loyal opposition. Of course this was only his basic duty as the leader of a constitional republic which guarantees and indeed cherishes the right of dissent. Though this claim will undoubtedly be jeered at by the Left, they will not be able to come up with a single instance of George Bush attacking the premise of dissent or of ever, despite eight years of the most withering personal slander and hate directed against him, comparably personalizing or slandering or in most cases of even complaining about his attackers and the vile and relentless nature of their attacks.
    Within one week of winning power Barack Obama began his bleating over “talk radio” and actually singled out an American, Rush Limbaugh, as some kind of interference to governance. It is perhaps not possible to measure the intellectual and political insecurity of such a man; without doubt he betrays the operative fear and loathing of dissent that so animates the Left that its leaders must now declare, without the slighest sense of irony over their consolidated and degrading assaults on the presidency and their nearly unified efforts to undermine and even lose a war for eight years, that this civil townhall dissent is “un-American.” But going from slanderous lies to breathtakingly, blind-to-irony slanderous lies is no big step for the Left.
    The people who have perfected “shouting down” voices they don’t like to hear for generations suddenly, when faced with a ragtag challenge to their total rule — their total control over the government and media and very nearly the popular culture — shriek un-American”. These are people who could pass any bill they want any time they want, but still feel the compulsive need to slander the slightest resistance. Not only slander, but intimidate and beat up.
    Still, I ask, where are the conservative leaders to seize this moment?

  43. But that was the funny part, Mark; delusional Barack Obama thought he was on the Banking Committee.
    “Now, in terms of knowing my commitments, you don’t have to just look at my words. You can look at my deeds. Just this past — this past week, we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill to call for divestment from Iran as a way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don’t obtain a nuclear weapon.”
    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/07/barack_obama_gaffe.html
    Of course, immediately afterwards, Proud Liberal and Patrick Bateman rewrote history to put him on there, insisted that the lack of his name had been an oversight caused by structural white racism, and sent him years of back minutes with additions showing how he had voted on everything that had been done by the Banking Committee.

  44. syn says:

    “Bush Depression”
    Sure, 5.4% unemployment is a Depression.
    BUT
    9.4% unemployment is good time rock and roll happy days are here again. SO happy the Serfs are finding fantastic Organized American jobs on Craigslist to carry Obama’s Organizing for America’s manufactured Health Reform signs on behalf of their Organizer-in-Chief-of-Thieves.
    I wonder if the poor suckers of Organized Theft realize that when they turn in their Organized Health Reform signs they won’t actually receive cash but government-organized IOUs. Of which, the suckers will have to their tax with real cash and not IOUs.

  45. Proud Liberal says:

    1) Gitmo will be closed. He never said he would do it overnight.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/10/white-house-gitmo-closing-on-schedule/?feat=home_headlines
    and 2) Obama never said he would end the war in Afghanistan. He said he would end the war in Iraq.
    http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/07/obama_afghanist.html
    You guys are really clueless aren’t you?

  46. syn says:

    “obama’s plan is to chop down those “money trees” for firewood.”
    Or, for government IOUs.

  47. Proud Liberal says:

    “Let me tell you a little story. I bought a sticker with “Socialism Is Not The Answer” for my car. In the 3-4 months that I’ve had it on, I’ve been stopped six different times by complete strangers, asking me where they could get one.”
    to a wingnut, apparently this means something relevant.

  48. Ken says:

    “Does anyone remember what was said about the Dixie Chicks when all they dared say was that they were embarrassed to be from Texas like the President.”
    Yeah. People said they wouldn’t listen to their albums any more.
    The Dixie Chicks have the right to speak their minds. They don’t have the right to be listened to.

  49. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “I guess one is only allowed to criticize a President if you are on the right.”
    WooHoo! I love seeing you lot squish your faces at the taste of your own medicine. Can you imagine what it would be like if the media had just a scosh right slant….hell, even slightly middle of the road! Yeah, it’s going to be a long 7.5 years but it’s going to be funnier than the Carter years and YOUR great grand children will be picking lettuce to pay for it all.
    Chains we can believe in!

  50. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “Obama never said he would end the war in Afghanistan. He said he would end the war in Iraq.”
    LOLOLOLOLOll You wrote that like you were serious! So, it’s quite alright to waste America’s treasure, blood and toil on one useless venture, but not another. Depending on who’s in charge at the time. I love the “logic”, but then most of the world’s opium comes from A’stan, so I can see why the left would support that misadventure.

  51. Proud Liberal says:

    “but the dixie chicks weren’t talking about anyone else, right?”
    mark your comments on the Dixie Chicks doesn’t make any sense to me. What are you saying. They said they were embarassed that Bush was from Texas apparently because they are from Texas as well… Why are you posting the population numbers? lol
    The point was that the Dixie Chicks said a very very mild thing about Bush and was attacked with a viciousness that is right in line with my contention that the right has resorted to thuggery because they can’t win on the issues. Thugs simple and plain.

  52. Ken says:

    Let’s get back on topic here.
    Bottom line: the President is proposing putting 1/6 of the economy under the government, which is needless to say controversial. The President is trying to end this controversy, by getting his worshippers to turn in the opponents and by hiring union bullies to beat up the opponents of his plan. He is also trying to get the DHS to crack down on opposition.
    Dan Riehl opposes this crackdown, whereas Proud Liberal and his bed buddies support this crackdown. Because, you know, all those right wingers denied the Dixie Chicks’ First Amendment right to have people buy their albums.

  53. WBestPresidentEver says:

    The things in the Bill are UNAMERICAN. I wish the people that are going to these meetings would address the language in the bill concerning the items of interest that the American people have heard about. LINE BY LINE. These things ARE NOT RUMORS. THEY ARE IN THE BILL !!!!
    The white house has opened a New Website today and no where on that page does it address the “SO CALLED” rumors. These are “not” I repeat, Rumors. They are in the bill. They only say that this is not true and that is not true and so and so on. They do not bother to address the particular items in the bill mentioned below. They don’t want to address these things. They just want to make us out to be all unpatriot Americans for not believing them. These scumbags are really desperate.
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/10/white-house-launches-web-site-battle-health-care-rumors/
    They think they can pull the wool over us “unpatriotic” Americans.
    The Death Bill, Dr. Death, BARRAK HUSSIEN OBAMA
    READ THE BILL. READ THE BILL.
    Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
    Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
    Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
    Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
    Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
    Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
    Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
    Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.
    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
    Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
    • Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
    Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
    Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
    Thus far, the proposed legislation makes no mention of Soylent Green, but congress still has some tinkering to do before the final product is ready
    READ THE ENTIRE BILL THUS FAR HERE: Read it ! AND WEEP.
    http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

  54. Proud Liberal says:

    wahoo earning his name said, “So, it’s quite alright to waste America’s treasure, blood and toil on one useless venture, but not another.”
    Well, apparently Obama doesn’t believe it is a useless venture. You can agree or disagree with that, but you were claiming that Obama promised to end the war in Afghanistan during the campaign. That is just categorically false. But nice try on changing the subject. lol

  55. Ken says:

    Poooooor Dixie Chicks. Those evil right wingers denied them their rights by not buying their albums.
    BTW, gas prices are now nearly double what they were when Obama took office, and unemployment is at nearly 10%. If we do have a recovery, as we always have had, it will be a “recovery” with higher inflation and unemployment than during the Bush years.

  56. Proud Liberal says:

    wingnut bizarro world: “Bottom line: the President is proposing putting 1/6 of the economy under the government”
    Of course this, like so much ca ca coming from the right, is utter nonsense. Private insurance will still be covering the vast vast amount of Americans. No change in that. How would that be putting it “under the government”?
    such silly rhetoric. How can we take anything you say seriously?

  57. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “”and the next day a young black dissenter quietly handing out T-shirts outside one of these events was called a “nigger”, punched in the face, kicked and sent to the hospital by three members of the Moral Majority wearing uni-colored T shirts. I know it’s tough, but try.”
    “Try producing ANY evidence of this accusation.”
    No it was SEIU t-shirts (except the main thug was in a golf shirt) Yeah we saw it in the video and the name calling story….came from an interview of the victim. Of course, had some one actually from the moral majority asked for black paint in spanish within 300 yards of the guy…..well, we all know what DaLeft would be saying.

  58. tally says:

    It’s UnAmerican to organize and send in AEIU thugs to bully and scare people. It’s sneaky and dishonest to accuse the victims of the very things they are doing. They are so full of it with their labels, I’m not a Republican. I am not a 100% Conservative. I consider myself an Independent, but because of the primaries I’m a registered Democrat. This wimmen is not intimidated and is not going to shut up.

  59. Ken says:

    Proud Liberal, you know as well as I do that employers will drop coverage to save their own money, and that workers won’t even have the option of enrolling in a new private plan. Why are you lying?

  60. Patrick Bateman says:

    “President Obama’s specific campaign promises were to “end the war” and “close Gitmo”; I never recall any campaign promise to prosecute prior administrations.
    How come you are not Code Pink protesting President Obama for lying to your face about his campaign promise to end the war and close Gitmo?”
    Me either. I just assumed that the AG would prosecute crimes instead of acting like the president’s private counsel. Crazy for you guys I know. He didn’t say he’d end the Iraq war and close Gitmo 6 months into office, numb nuts. Again, undoing the male cheerleader’s incompetence will take more than 6 months. Adults know this. Back to the idiotic accusations at hand, however (I know you’re trying to distract from it now that you’ve been called out for being a liar): who is saying that Obama should not be criticized? I know its difficult for you to see the difference because you equate peaceful protest with your form of criticism – death threats and storming townhall events at the behest of your corporate masters.
    Secondly, is Obama going to start “death panels” or not? If so, I’d like to have a cite to the bill providing for such so that I can call my representatives.

  61. syn says:

    Proud Liberal
    So your are saying that the Liberation of Iraqi people from a genocidal dictatorship is bad?
    Personally I believe the Liberation of Iraq from a genocidal dictator was one of the best things to happen in America since WWII; I am fascinated that Proud Liberals actively sought to end the Liberation of human beings who Saddam used to put into wood shredders or rape little girls in front of their parents.
    By the way;if you have not yet noticed, our fine military under Commander-in-Chief GW Bush won the war in Iraq before Obama even won the primary race; he lied about ‘ending the war’ in Iraq since the war had already been won. So which war did he promise to end?
    Then again, you don’t have to answer my question since I already know for a fact that Proud Liberals love Tyrants, Dictators and Organized-Chief-of-Thieves!
    Beautiful, the promise to close Gitmo.
    You are buying the promise that Gitmo will be closed in 4 1/2 months from now even though Obama has yet to show his plan to close Gitmo?
    My question is, if Obama made the campaign promise over a year ago to close Gitmo how come he has yet to produce his plan to close Gitmo?
    With 4 1/2 month left in 2009, do you think Obama will get support from Congress on a Gitmo plan he has yet to produce while at the same time attempt to pass his widely unpopular Obamacare plan or his wildly obscene Cap and Tax Poverty plan?
    Did you think Obama is being realistic?

  62. tally says:

    correction to my post: it’s SEIU, so pissed I can’t type.

  63. mark l. says:

    hey the dixie chicks are performers, not intellectuals.
    they played to a crowd for instant gratification. they want the appluase then, they can’t live with derision afterwards?
    here’s a little bit of history…
    the senate that wrote the Iraq War Resolution was a democrat majority.(same as the gulf of tonkin resolution)
    their quote?
    “Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”
    it is fine to challenge the deisre to go to war, but the implication being made is that it brings shame for supporting it. i don’t see how the democrats of the senate, nor anyone else who did support the war, should feel excluded from their derision.
    so they weren’t really ashamed of their fans who supported the war? please.
    I should feel bad becuase they didn’t make money, for a stupid remark?
    the song “wide open spaces”…sounds like natalie describing at least two of her body parts…her skull and her mouth. Funny to see how the other two members were out there backpeddling.
    worth noting that they have one album since, with the highest chart position of 34.
    apparently, they threw away their careers, because the libs who support their words, sure aren’t buying their albums or getting them radio play. Rule #1 of entertainment? know your audience. natalie never learned that one.

  64. Private insurance will still be covering the vast vast amount of Americans. No change in that.
    And what’s the bill Nancy Pelosi has promised to have a vote on?
    Oh, that’s right — one to abolish private insurance.
    “He also got House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to agree to allow a full House vote on the single-payer reform that more than 85 House Democrats have endorsed.
    Congressman Anthony Weiner, D-New York, worked with Waxman to get the deal on single-payer and declared a sort of victory Friday, saying that: “Single-payer is a better plan and now it is on center stage. Americans have a clear choice. Their Member of Congress will have a simpler, less expensive and smarter bill to choose. I am thrilled that the Speaker is giving us that choice.””
    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/457846/key_committee_backs_health_plan_pelosi_allows_single_payer_vote
    And what else are we hearing today?
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Video-proof-Obama-wants-a-single-payer-system-52699182.html
    Specific quote:
    “Schakowsky is a left-wing Democrat from the north side of Chicago and adjacent suburbs and, as chief deputy whip, part of the House Democratic leadership. The video shows her speaking to an enthusiastic group last April. She cites an insurance company spokesman as saying, “A public option will put the private insurance industry out of business and lead to single-payer.” The audience cheers. “My single-payer friends,” she goes on, “he was right.” Later she adds, “This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there, and I believe we will.””
    Of course, we know you don’t recognize that, Proud Liberal, because you’re intellectually incapable of acknowledging that your black thug lies constantly and that your party lies constantly. But unfortunately for delusional liberals like yourself, facts show otherwise.

  65. Ken says:

    Let me make one thing clear: even if I were acting “at the behest of [my] corporate masters,” I would still have the right to speak out against my Congressman or my President. The 1st Amendment gives me the right to petition; no exceptions for corporate types. BTW, can you show me a video of death threats? Not some claim by a Congressman, actual video.
    As for “storming townhall events,” I assume you are talking about Carnahan letting in his union thugs through a side door in order to sneakily keep the plan’s opponents out? They were “storming” it only in the sense of not letting themselves get shut out. And they had the right to do so: petitioning is one of the few “positive” rights guaranteed in the Constitution, meaning one that the government is required to provide, as opposed to “negative” rights like speech and arms, which the government is banned from stopping.

  66. Ken says:

    To any undecided lurkers out there:
    Do you want liberals to decide when you get life-saving medical care?
    Do you trust an angry man like Patrick Bateman, who thinks it’s OK to get six union thugs to beat up one small conservative man, but who thinks the government should prosecute people for not buying Dixie Chicks albums, with your life? Apparently not, based on the polls which show a majority against the Obama plan.

  67. tim maguire says:

    Proud Liberal, the Dixie Chicks insulted a large portion of their own fan base and for a short while they paid the predicatble price. So what?
    The New York Times undermined the U.S. war effort and a fairly obscure news outlet called them on it. So what?
    Not all “unamerican” accusations are created equal–some activites are unamerican. Some are not. Some uses of the accusation are appropriate and some are smears.
    And an example of someone who you categorize as being on the other side doing something you don’t like doesn’t prove any argument about the general tenor of the other side. Or say anything about all the members of that group. Remember, you’re liberal–nuance, nuance, nuance!
    You want to complain about wingers, you need to get more specific. The part about how all you heard from the wingers was accusations of unamerican activities? That was a straight up lie. Lazy hyperbole from a lazy thinker and careless arguer.

  68. syn says:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/9861137/My_advice_to_Obama_on_Guantanamo_When_in_a_hole_stop_digging/
    Obama dug too deep to keep his promise.
    Democrats aren’t even helping him fund his unknown plans to close Gitmo.

  69. mark l. says:

    “As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush because my remark was disrespectful. I feel that whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost respect. We are currently in Europe and witnessing a huge anti-American sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war. While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to see every possible alternative exhausted before children and American soldiers’ lives are lost. I love my country. I am a proud American.”
    natalie’s apology.
    do you support this statement?

  70. Ken says:

    Of course, she took back her apology later on, showing her true character.
    Shame on those wingnuts for denying her civil rights by not buying her albums!
    (FWIW, I’d like to say that I was one of those wingnuts, but in fact I wasn’t, since I thought their music sucked in the first place).
    Interesting that the Purple Shirts on this site are concerned about the civil rights of some slutty multimillionaires, who are unconstitutionally being denied CD sales, but unconcerned about a small black man who gets set upon by six union thugs.
    I can tell you right now that if those six POS’s attacked me, it would be a very unfair fight. For them.

  71. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “You can agree or disagree with that, but you were claiming that Obama promised to end the war in Afghanistan during the campaign.”
    Maybe english is your second language as I never, ever mentioned any of Obie’s promises. I did however point out the hypocrisy of the left yelling and sceaming about the best way to support our troops is to bring them home, exit strategies, etc….until Obie became da prez and now it seems all necessary and useful to be quiet about these things.

  72. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “hey the dixie chicks are performers, not intellectuals.”
    The former is questionable and the latter is an understatement

  73. Seems like there’s some sort of selective memory over there on the left. What happened to their most sacred mantra, “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?

  74. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “(FWIW, I’d like to say that I was one of those wingnuts, but in fact I wasn’t, since I thought their music sucked in the first place).”
    LOLOLOLLLOL

  75. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “What happened to their most sacred mantra, “dissent is the highest form of patriotism”?”
    It only counts when it is the left questioning whether a repugnican president should have oat meal or frosted flakes, or some other equally important issue. It does not count when your grandma wants to be sure whether she’ll get her hover round or a megadose of nightshade for her broken hip. Easier questions to have answered with all the the transparency we were promised….oh crap, wait, that was transparency over what the previous administraion did. Not what this one is doing.

  76. Ken says:

    Turns out the Purple Shirts are being funded by George Soros:
    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/10/guess-whos-funding-obamacare-advocates/
    That’s George Soros, Nazi collaborator, and supporter of the gun control fringe. Let me guess, onsite Purple Shirts, you are part of the anti-gun 25% as well. But not to the extent of putting your precious lives on the line to take them away.

  77. Sarah says:

    Poll: Who here hates President Obama and why?
    It’s evident to me that a lot of people who make comments here do have hate in their hearts for him — and I am trying to understand why.
    Thanks.

  78. Sarah says:

    Ken,
    How was George Soros a nazi collaborator? I apologize, but I just can’t take that at face value. Can you provide some background on that?

  79. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    Sarah, Most conservatives are unlike liberals. See we can disagree with policies, even very strongly, without hating anyone. Yes, I know how difficult that is for libs to understand since they are so deep in their hatred that they are blinded. I dont think anyone here hates DaPrez but the vast majority despise his obviously hurtful policies. Now, go ask your lib friends why they are so in love….nah, they dont answer questions though they will parrott anything they’re told.

  80. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    Here ya go Sarah;
    http://sweetness-light.com/archive/george-soros-on-helping-the-nazis-during-the-holocaust
    Now personally, I forgives a 14 yo boy for wanting to live no matter what it takes…..

  81. USMC says:

    “But questioning O-Dumbo and getting his ears all a’fllapin’ over health care ”
    Priceless!

  82. Nishner says:

    Dissent all you like. But shutting down Town Hall meetings because you don’t like them talking about Health Care isn’t dissent.

  83. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “…..shutting down Town Hall meetings because you don’t like them talking about Health Care isn’t dissent.”
    Then what is? Waiting for police dogs and fire hoses?

  84. Ken says:

    “It’s evident to me that a lot of people who make comments here do have hate in their hearts for him — and I am trying to understand why.”
    Awwwwwww. Poor wittow baby. He’s POTUS, the most powerful man in the world. But it isn’t any good if people don’t love him. Excuse me while I weep for this poor little boy. (sob)

  85. Sarah says:

    Hi Willie. Thanks for the reply.
    In love? I’m not in love with Obama and no one else I know is. I live in Washington, DC – we see through all the politicians here – Obama included. What gives you the idea that liberal America is “in love with” Obama, other than conservative media hosts calling Obama “the annointed one” and similar? That comes from the right, not the left.
    And I disagree with you – I think conservatives and liberals are a lot alike – any politically informed Americans loves his country – why else would someone participate? Liberals and conservatives just see the world differently. There are extremists (ie: assh0les) on both sides. Can we agree on that?
    And it is so strange to me that you don’t think it’s hateful, or at least disrespectful toward me, to dismissively say that all my “lib friends” will “parrott (sic) anything they’re told”? Or to imply that I am too dense to be able to understand the simple distinction between disagreeing with someone’s policies and hating them personally? What’s with that?
    I saw a comment on this blog that Obama is a “black thug” or something like that. How is that disagreeing with a policy? How is that not hateful?

  86. Ken says:

    I don’t see any people shutting down town hall meetings, other than the Congressmen who shut them down by running away with their tails between their legs. I see a lot of pointed questions, like the woman who asked why Congress isn’t bound by their own legislation, but I don’t see any Congressmen unable to speak.
    Calling a Congressman a liar isn’t shutting him down either; it’s refusing to let him get away with a lie.

  87. mark l. says:

    “It’s evident to me that a lot of people who make comments here do have hate in their hearts for him”
    I love the dude. America will never learn to avoid touching the plate while it is hot, unless they burn themselves. I want him in for two terms, just so I can watch America burn itself to the bone. Is he nefariously evil? nope.
    just an incredibly naive bumpkin, who is buying into lib philosophy. Most Americans only learn by example, and I could think of never better example of failure than this clown.
    I love obama, and am very glad that he doesn’t hide behind a sense of moderation.
    the faster he bankrupts us, the faster we can go on with developing a form of govt that doesn’t run along a ponzi scheme.

  88. Ken says:

    Obama is no black thug. I’ve been to Compton and seen the real deal. Any real black thug would have put that ball over the plate. :)

  89. Sarah says:

    LOL Ken. That pitch WAS pretty pathetic… he should have practiced.

  90. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “There are extremists (ie: assh0les) on both sides. Can we agree on that?”
    Yes, Sarah we can agree on that and likely many more things. What a refreshing attitude from someone who calls themseles a liberal. I’m sorry you have to live in DC, nice place to visit but I’d rather live at GITMO.

  91. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “How is that not hateful?”
    Opps almost forgot and going back to both sides have a-holes. The reason I used the word “most” in my sentence was to let the reader know that I realize that there are in fact people who hate Obie, for many reasons. I also realize that I misspelled Parrot and I even know why…….Now let me go back to enjoying watching the right act like the left.

  92. Sarah says:

    Willie — HAHA!! I’m from here so it seems normal. I realize how strange DC is when I travel to other parts of the country. In New England I feel like a Southerner. In Georgia I feel like a yankee.
    DC itself is very mixed ideologically – at least Northwest DC where I’m from. Liberals and conservatives live in harmony here. We also don’t take politics personally because we see that everything is temporary in Washington. If you’re unhappy with the Democrats being in power, take heart. This too shall pass. :D

  93. Sarah says:

    So Mark, you think he’s a “bumpkin” and a “clown” who is destined for “failure”? Maybe you just THINK you love “the dude”? To me it seems different.

  94. Nishner says:

    Discussing the health care options a bit like adults would be a good place to start.
    “The recent attacks by Republican leaders and their ideological fellow-travelers on the effort to reform the health-care system have been so misleading, so disingenuous, that they could only spring from a cynical effort to gain partisan political advantage. By poisoning the political well, they’ve given up any pretense of being the loyal opposition. They’ve become political terrorists, willing to say or do anything to prevent the country from reaching a consensus on one of its most serious domestic problems….”
    “Health reform is a test of whether this country can function once again as a civil society — whether we can trust ourselves to embrace the big, important changes that require everyone to give up something in order to make everyone better off. Republican leaders are eager to see us fail that test. We need to show them that no matter how many lies they tell or how many scare tactics they concoct, Americans will come together and get this done.”
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080603854.html

  95. fugazi says:

    The dems have the votes to pass this or any other bill they want. Why don’t they just pass the thing and be done with it?
    Because they know Universal Health Care is political suicide. The taxpayers simply do not want it, however they dress it up and demonize the opposition. The zero liability voter wants it. They don’t pay taxes, so what’s the difference?
    Every democrat in a red state will lose in 2010 and Obama will be booted in 2012 if they pass this. So go ahead.

  96. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “This too shall pass. :D”
    Yep, I go back to Ike so I’m aware how temporary the power pool is. I also have less and less difference between whose rih white guy is in charge at the moment. It’s a metaphor, I dont need to be reminded that the prez is only 1/2 white. Pookie the LLama just woke up and she wont be able to resist. N/W DC or damn near NoVa. But you’re right your area is a different world from three blocks past off the mall. I’m always amazed how quickly one is in the “country” up there. If you see that damned geico lizard around the hood, stomp him for us all.

  97. JustOneMan says:

    The Truth Hurts….
    Rep. John Dingell was confronted by a father of a handicap young man on the lack of clarity in the bill concerning special needs persons. At first Dingell said he was covered…when informed by his staff that it wasnt in the bill…he immediately stated that it would be covered under an amendment to the bill…when asked the name and number of the amendment Dingell basically shit his pants…
    The man was asked to leave by the police…Dingell informed the press afterwards that this guy and his kid in a wheelchair where part of an organized effort to shut down the debate…
    All the guys wants to know is why his disabled son is being left out of healtcare reform and he gets branded as unAmerican

  98. Sarah says:

    Fugazi, are you from DC TOO?????? Are you a Minor Threat/Fugazi/Ian MacKaye fan????? I am — from way back in the day. Minor Threat was popular when I was a teenager in the 80s. Their shows were all ages which was helpful if you wanted to see live music at age 14 in a club atmosphere. Although sometimes it was a church basement. haha.
    I think your prediction about 2010/2012 is wrong. The tide is going the other way. I think Obama’s election was just the beginning of the recoil from the Bush/Cheney era.

  99. mark l. says:

    So Mark, you think he’s a “bumpkin” and a “clown” who is destined for “failure”? Maybe you just THINK you love “the dude”? To me it seems different.
    ************
    here’s the deal. the gop doesn’t have a clue either on how they are going to deal with 59 trillion in unfunded obligations. Running the debt up 10 trillion isn’t exactly a strategy of success. My greatest fear is that the gop gets the house back, and the spending slows, so the crisis, that I don’t want to go to waste occurs for my nieces and nephews. I’d rather deal with the problems now, as opposed to passing them off.
    much better to stop a ponzi scheme earlier, as opposed to later. if you wait til later, you face exponential growth.
    it is basically like cancer. obama is just the “chain-smoker” I need to be held up as an example…we’ll treat the symptoms of a failed govt, but when we start coughing up blood, we might stop smoking.
    The writing is on the wall, our currency isn’t going to last.

  100. Anon says:

    The Democrats are incapable of doing anything beyond pandering to the far left of their party, so I think they are likely to sustain some serious losses in 2010, though with the GOP still in shambles it’s hard to say for sure.
    Obama combines two of the worst possible traits: arrogance and inexperience. I don’t hate him, but I think he’s bad for the country and that he is not the “brilliant” man that so many, even some of his detractors, think he is, I see zero evidence of any brilliance in his past. He has no past tangible accomplishments, other than writing a book.
    Angry people showing up at town hall meetings is nothing new and should be nothing that an elected official can’t handle. The Democrats do not want to discuss the bill, of course most don’t know what is in the bill, which is a key reason why they seek to paint anyone questioning their judgement as serving their corporate masters.
    Not sure I agree w/Mark about the country coming to its senses after 8 years of Obama, by then it may be too late.
    Lastly, EVERYONE knows that the public option is a stalking horse for single payer and that the ultimate goal of the Democrats is single payer.

  101. Proud Liberal says:

    “It’s evident to me that a lot of people who make comments here do have hate in their hearts for him — and I am trying to understand why.”
    Sarah, for many of the Obama haters (many but not all) it’s all about race. The thought of an African-American President terrorizes them. I recall seeing in one of those Town Hall meetings a woman crying and saying, “I want my America back”. Now what America is she talking about? Methinks it is one that doesn’t’ have a black President and one that didn’t just confirm a Latina to the Supreme Court. They see “their” America changing demographically and now politically as well and they are full of resentment and hate. The Birther nonsense. The Muslim nonsense. The Michelle “whitey” nonsense. I don’t care what anyone says, the vociferous hatred displayed towards our President is fueled by good old fashioned racism. I wish it wasn’t so but alas it is.

  102. Ken says:

    Sarah, I appreciate that you have tried to be civilized instead of leaving the Alinskyite comments of the other leftist commentators.
    Nevertheless, you live in a district that went 90% for McGovern, Carter, and Mondale. So, frankly, you do not see a representative sample of people.
    Believe it or not, in many parts of this country, people are still recoiling from the CLINTON era. Not everyone liked having their gun purchases put into a secret, illegal database, or having Chucky Schumer on national TV gloating about the death of the Seventh-Day Adventists at Waco.
    Politics runs on an approximately 30-year cycle. Which should put us in Reagan Revolution Part II in…well, 2010.

  103. Nishner says:

    “The Democrats do not want to discuss the bill”
    Which begs the question of why they go to the trouble of scheduling all those Town Hall meetings. Perhaps they’re simply a trap to attract enraged Teabaggers, who then shout down any attempt at discussion and end the Town Hall in chaos. Diabolical.
    While I’d love it to be true that we’re going to get true Single Payer, it’s not. We’ll still have largely the same system we have now, the majority of people covered through for-profit plans, and the Public Option a small player. Now if people figure out the Public Plan can actually provide them equal or better care at cheaper rates, then we might see some real reform down the road.

  104. Sarah says:

    I agree that we are in a terrible state with our currency and that neither party seems to make any headway. I hope for better days before we are coughing up blood. Good image there and very apt. It’s been fun righty wingnuts but I gotta go!!! Cheers
    Best,
    Lefty wingnut :D
    (I am saying “wingnuts” affectionately and totally in jest. It was really fun on here today & I hope you’ll have me back.)

  105. mark l. says:

    Sarah-
    here’s a social philosopher worth examining.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
    he has been dismissed by many becuase the shortages he forsaw occurred in physical supplies for society.
    in the next couple of decades, he will come back into vogue, because, while the cause of the crisis he forsaw have been dismissed, the theory of supplies running short still holds.
    not food, nor even resources, but just simply money. of all the things we make and treasure, we have built a society dependent upon paper(or electronic records). Long term viability of society remains with phyiscal production, but we are chasing a dream.
    we didn’t learn from those beautiful pictures of germans buying bread with wheel barrels full of money, under the delsusion that, “it can’t happen here”. Once society accepts it can happen here, we will be truly civilized.
    obama hastens an end, but offers a new beginning. i’m sorry if he becomes martyred in a cuase that he doesn’t understand, but I for one, will be grateful to his contribution to history.

  106. anon says:

    Malthus was just ahead of his time, way, way ahead of his time, if population continues to grow then we will eventually get there…soilent green meets brave new world.
    The government can make its ‘public option’ cheaper if it wants to, it has no shareholders or ‘value’ that it has to maintain in order to be viable; once it has undercut private insurers and squeezed them out of the market you will see higher costs/fewer services, though this would take probably at least 20 years to accomplish.

  107. It’s all right, Proud Liberal. Invariably those who hire unqualified and unsuitable individuals are going to scream “racism”, as you do, when anyone dares to criticize their affirmative-action pets. In your eyes, skin color is an absolute qualification and people of a certain skin color can do nothing wrong, which is why you support racists like Sotomayer and her belief that Latinas will always come up with better answers than white people.
    Meanwhile, there are more than enough examples to show that Obama Party puppets like yourself truly hate and loathe black people, especially ones who dare to disagree with them politically.
    http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2009/08/08/from-joe-the-plumber-to-kenneth-the-drama-queen

  108. Notice how the first place Proud Racist goes is to accuse others of racism.
    We should keep in mind the behavior that Proud Racist and the Obama Party support and endorse.
    “White and Kinney both testified Kilpatrick used the F-word in describing them while urging his security detail to get them off the porch. They said the mayor also made racial remarks about her and White.
    “You’re a black woman,” Kinney quoted the mayor as telling her. “You should be ashamed of yourself being with a man with the last name white. You should not be a part of this.”
    White is white. Kinney and Kilpatrick are black”
    http://www.wwj.com/pages/2788316.php?
    Fully endorsed and supported by Barack Obama.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZNvC_-RW2Q
    Proud Racist the Liberal believes that black people should be ashamed to ride in cars with white people and should not investigate crimes by another black person.

  109. Hyman Roth says:

    “All we heard from proud winger patriots during W’s reign of stupidity and evil was that questioning the president on ANYTHING during a time of war was tantamount to treason.”
    LOL. My, someone really doesn’t know how to read.
    How, exactly can Loud Drivel claim that a quote from a single website proves that every other “proud winger patriot” did exactly the same thing? That’s not even mentioning the biased leftwing cranksite (“conwebwatch”?) where the quote allegedly came from, so the quote is probably as inaccurate and misleading as Loud Drivel’s argument.

  110. Nishner says:

    The government can make the Public Option cheaper by reducing administrative costs which run around 30% for insurers vs. 3% for Medicare. How would you feel about a 25% cut in your premium?
    Actually, one of the reasons health care is so expensive is insurers have an oligopoly in many states. Introducing competition through the Public Option will actually force them to compete and lower rates.

  111. mark l. says:

    the wiki entry is pretty fair…
    darwin gave credit where credit was due. Hard to dismiss the father of evolution, who is crediting malthus, in many ways, as the father of social evolution.
    even marx forsaw the need to actually produce to keep a society going, whereas 40% of the production(federal spending) for this year, will be ased upon borrowing against futre production.
    not too well read on my communist manifesto, but I think if marx were alive today, witnessing this, he’d be at one of the townhalls, telling the dems how badly they have butchered his philosophy.
    How out of touch are the libs?
    they can read a graph and tell you the world will end in 100 years from global warming, but they can’t see the end of our economy in the next 40-50 years. Obama just hastens the window to the next 20-30 years. they’ll defend every resource except money.

  112. “Dissent all you like. But shutting down Town Hall meetings because you don’t like them talking about Health Care isn’t dissent.”
    Then why do you support doing it, Nishner?
    “Action: Opponents of reform are organizing counter-demonstrators to speak at this and several congressional town halls on the issue to defend the status quo. It is critical that our members with real, personal stories about the need for access to quality, affordable care come out in strong numbers to drown out their voices.”
    http://www.seiu2001.org/Healthcare_Town_Hall_Forum_with_Congressman_Jim_Himes.aspx
    And what was it that Barack Obama said? Oh, that’s right, “drowning out” is “un-American”.
    And who was it that Barack Obama was encouraging and supporting to “keep doing” it? That’s right, the SEIU.
    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/SEIU-Head-denounces-terrorist-tactics-of-the-Right-day-after-alleged-SEIU-assault-on-conservative-52683602.html

  113. Nishner says:

    You’ve confused me with someone else. I don’t support any type of violence or intimidation at Town Halls.
    But apparently, since you’re such a rabid supported of TeaBaggers, you do.

  114. “The government can make the Public Option cheaper by reducing administrative costs which run around 30% for insurers vs. 3% for Medicare. How would you feel about a 25% cut in your premium?”
    LOL….oh my gosh, they’re STILL pushing that old canard.
    Since you and your leftist friends insist you can run a health plan for “2-3% administrative costs”, then I have a challenge for you; take some of Soros’s billions, and start a company that does exactly that.
    Why not? After all, a private health insurance company run by Obama Party members like yourself would supposedly have every competitive advantage; it would never deny coverage, it would allow everyone in, and it would do so for, as you phrase it, a “25% cut in your premiums” — all without costing taxpayers a dime.
    Or the truth would come out quickly, which is that Medicare actually has far higher “administrative costs” — if one compares them honestly.
    Who does Medicare’s billing, Nishner?
    Answer: The IRS.
    Who pays Medicare’s building costs and light bill, Nishner?
    Answer: Not Medicare. That’s the Federal Government administration.
    Who pays for Medicare’s claim adjudication and fraud detection?
    Answer: No one, because they don’t do it; they just tell Treasury to write off $60 billion a year.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/12/AR2008061203915.html
    And finally, Nishner, who pays the IRS, the government administrative offices, and the Treasury for the writeoff?
    Answer: The taxpayers. Not Medicare premium payers.
    And that, dear child, is why you Obama puppets won’t put your money where your mouth is; you know darn well that you CAN’T run a health insurance plan on 2 – 3% annually without being able to write off vast amounts of money to some other sap, and private companies, unlike the Federal government, don’t have the legal power to arbitrarily raise prices or renege on debt.
    What this is all about is lazy welfare child Nishner wanting Cadillac health care without having to pay for it. Grownups realize that you don’t get something for nothing and that, in the real world, you have to pay bills instead of just ignoring them. But Obama, who has never had a real job, wouldn’t realize that.

  115. anon says:

    One of the reasons that health care is so expensive is because of the Community Rating system.
    Since President Obama admits that Medicare WASTES BILLIONS, the fact that they claim to only spend 3% on administration isn’t very comforting, obviously “administration” costs aren’t related to efficient delivery of care or improved outcomes.
    The Massachusetts universal plan is exactly what is in store for the country at large: it has cost much, much more than it was anticipated to cost; the cost savings that were promised have not materialized, indeed those categories, including ER, have increased, people’s premiums are HIGHER and taxes have been increased to pay for it, benefits have been reduced and there is ZERO reason to believe costs won’t continue to spiral.
    That is what you want to force the rest of the country to deal with.

  116. tally says:

    Poll: Who here hates President Obama and why? I hate him because he’s a control freak.

  117. mark l. says:

    “You’ve confused me with someone else.”
    you are the same guy who has been singing the praises of a single payer system, while the administration that you support is clearly stating, NOW, that it is not their goal or intention, despite numerous, and recent video evidence, that contradicts their very recent position.
    a lot of the anxiety that these people are exhibiting is that the wh is trying to present themselves as something they are not. I guess if the old people would just sit down, drink some of that koolaid, with some of that “jonestown kicker”, they’ll feel much ‘better’.
    It’s pretty easy to call them liars, when there is some much proof.
    sorry if you aren’t the ‘koolaid dispensing’ nishner. I was talking to the other guy.

  118. “You’ve confused me with someone else. I don’t support any type of violence or intimidation at Town Halls.”
    But of course you aren’t capable of criticizing your Barack Obama and his SEIU, are you?
    Now, since you insist that memos telling people to attend town halls are astroturfing and that telling people to drown out others is un-American, call out the SEIU for doing it.
    But you can’t. That’s why you attacked me and tried to claim I supported violence. You’re a tantrum-throwing child who, when caught doing something wrong, throws a fit and tries to blame the teacher, their parents, everyone else but themselves.

  119. “Since President Obama admits that Medicare WASTES BILLIONS, the fact that they claim to only spend 3% on administration isn’t very comforting, obviously “administration” costs aren’t related to efficient delivery of care or improved outcomes.”
    You actually nailed it, anon.
    Last year, total Medicare expenditures were $453 billion.
    According to sources, Medicare fraud is roughly $60 billion per year.
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22184921/
    That means, in and of itself, Medicare pays costs of 13% a year, BEFORE any other costs are factored into the equation, just on fraud alone.

  120. templar knight says:

    Damn, it’s you Willie. Where the hell have you been? And wherever it was, I am glad to see you back. And even though Pookie and HairyBob are gone, we still have idiot liberals who post here. I see you are well aware of, and have responded to
    their moronic posts. LOL!

  121. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “Obama Party puppets like yourself truly hate and loathe black people….”
    ND30, the left doesn’t loathe black people. They truly feel sorry for them, find them like small, poorly reared children who are not capable of success without their help. Yeah, that’s a perfect description of racism but the left doesn’t see it as such.

  122. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    Temp, I’ve done some lurking, rarely post these days cause the weather is great and I’ve been on the river a lot. I’ve seen a couple posts by Pookie Jr. (the youngin’ or other personality which ever the case) I’m not finding many of these cats as likable as Pookie either. At least she could make a case for her points whether one agrees or not. She gave me pause to think vis the typical “it’s all GW’s fault” talking points from some of these. Still all dry and dusty in your country?

  123. templar knight says:

    I’m working in Arkansas right now, Willie, and its been raining like cats and dogs for over a month. It’s still dry at home, though. I’ve been doing a lot of fishing over on the White and Little Red Rivers, and have been killing the trout. I’ve kinda busted the limit thing, so don’t tell anyone, it can be our secret.
    It is nice to know that the liberals who come here, no matter their names, are just as hypocritical as ever. Some things never change.

  124. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “I don’t care what anyone says, the vociferous hatred displayed towards our President is fueled by good old fashioned racism.”
    That’s absolutely the most stupid thing I’ve ever seen posted here. I thought it was stupid when that formerly fat, actor/comic said it on some Obielove network and the parroting is even more stupid. And dipwad, I’ve seen REAL racism. There was/is not “good” about it. Never said this to anyone on this board but you sir, arean idiot who couldn’t spot a racist if he was shoving you into an oven.

  125. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    Way to go there Temp…tell a river keeper that you’re stealing the state’s fish…lol. Just try to remember that there’s a reason for those limits

  126. WBestPresidentEver says:

    http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=8052415&referralPlaylistId=949437d0db05ed5f5b9954dc049d70b0c12f2749
    Man was threatened overnight for speakign up about his son.
    He means business. He will use all means necessary including lethal force to protect his son, his wife and his self.
    COWARDS LIBERALS !!! Unreal at what they will stoop to. Obama’s thugs are getting out of hand.
    I would not be surprised if someone in this country gets killed over this health care debate. Things are getting out of hand since Obama called on his thugs to help out last Friday.
    What a nice guy. The Chicago way.

  127. Rich K says:

    So this is what happens when 300 million folks respond to a thread all at once.
    PRICELESS !!

  128. templar knight says:

    Yes, yes, I know, Willie. But I wish you would tell the little rascals to leave my caviar alone! Serves them right, I tells ya!

  129. Nishner says:

    “That means, in and of itself, Medicare pays costs of 13% a year, BEFORE any other costs are factored into the equation, just on fraud alone.”
    Even if you assume commercial insurers have zero fraud, which is ridiculous, Medicare STILL operates at half the overhead of commerical insurers.

  130. “Even if you assume commercial insurers have zero fraud, which is ridiculous, Medicare STILL operates at half the overhead of commerical insurers.”
    LOL….using Enronesque accounting, in which its cost of buildings, facilities operations, labor, marketing, billing, and collections are laid off to other portions of the Federal budget and not counted as part of its “overhead”.
    Again, Nishner, why haven’t you leftist liberals started your own company, since you insist that you can turn no one down, approve all procedures, and charge people 25% less using your leftist magic powers? The world would beat a pathway to your door, and it wouldn’t require raising anyone’s taxes.
    Or is the problem here that you can’t survive without massive tax subsidies?

  131. Proud Liberal says:

    “Never said this to anyone on this board but you sir, arean idiot who couldn’t spot a racist if he was shoving you into an oven.”
    hey bubba, if the white hood fits, wear it. Racism, pure and simple, is what is behind so much of the vile attacks on the President of the United States of America. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

  132. Mrs. Peperium says:

    “Racism, pure and simple, is what is behind so much of the vile attacks on the President of the United States of America.”
    Exactly how is it racist to say Obama is an elitist, a radical, a community organizer that never had a real job, a thug, a statist, a socialist, a mysogynist, a liar, or a cheat – (see ACORN if you need more explanation)?

  133. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    Again, an idiot like yourself would not know a racist if he was shoving you into an oven.

  134. Bob says:

    “But questioning O-Dumbo and getting his ears all a’fllapin’ over health care …”
    Gee, Dan, you’re wallowing in the gutter now. This is what “the loyal opposition” does when they can’t have it their way anymore. LOL.

  135. Bob says:

    “He has no past tangible accomplishments, other than writing a book.”
    You disappoint me with such petty statements, anon. What have you done with YOUR life, hotshot? Did you get elected to the Senate? Did you win a series of debates with Hillary Clinton and John McCain? Were YOU elected president? You shouldn’t be so cavalier about disrespecting someone who’s accomplished more in the first half of his life than you could accomplish in ten lifetimes.

  136. rrpjr says:

    “Racism, pure and simple, is what is behind so much of the vile attacks on the President of the United States of America.”
    Prove it. But this is called a “faith-based” outburst from the decadent pews of the Left, guaranteed to repeat itself until the inglorious end of this misbegotten administration if only because it is just too irresistible to the laziest among them.
    You don’t know what the word “liberal” means. About the “proud” part, however, I’ve no doubt.

  137. Nishner says:

    “Enronesque accounting”. That’s hilarious coming from NDT.
    Corporate insurers have to generate profits, a Public Plan doesn’t. That’s billions in lower premiums. It can also run at much lower administrative costs, more billions saved.
    I don’t know where this Health Care Nirvana is you seem to believe exists. Corporate insurers limit annual coverage, have a lifetime limit on what they’ll pay out. They also routinely deny coverage for a while host of reasons.

  138. “hey bubba, if the white hood fits, wear it. Racism, pure and simple, is what is behind so much of the vile attacks on the President of the United States of America. You should be ashamed of yourselves.”
    This from the racist coward who supports the beating of a black man.
    http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/08/jesse-griffin-cant-help-himself.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e20120a53954b2970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e20120a53954b2970c

  139. “Corporate insurers have to generate profits, a Public Plan doesn’t. That’s billions in lower premiums. It can also run at much lower administrative costs, more billions saved.”
    Again, Nishner, since you leftists insist that you can do this, why not do so WITHOUT getting the government involved? Form a nonprofit company. Implement your leftist ideas. Indeed, your doing so would cover millions of people without costing the taxpayers a dime — if indeed they work.
    Also, silly Nishner, you forgot one other thing; Medicare doesn’t have to pay taxes.
    The funny thing about this is that the government has already proven it will fail when it competes for business with profit-oriented companies, i.e. the Post Office. That’s why everything in the Obama single-payer plan is designed to make it impossible for private companies to do business. Barack Obama doesn’t want any competition; he wants the money.
    Of course, you’ll never do that because your schemes don’t work without a massive infusion of taxpayer dollars year after year after year after year and a place to hide all your expenses.
    And this one is really funny.
    “Did you get elected to the Senate? Did you win a series of debates with Hillary Clinton and John McCain? Were YOU elected president?”
    Let’s see; if I could break campaign finance laws with impunity, order the media to cover up everything bad I ever did and lie about my opponents, and had the necessary skin color that would make liberals like Nishner and Bob obey my every command, yeah, I could be President.
    And I’d be more qualified than Obama, because unlike him, I’ve held a job and worked for a living.

  140. WBestPresidentEver says:

    Sorry to inform you idiots that keep hollering racism. It is not racism at all.
    I am sure Obama is a good family man. He is just “not” Presidential Material.
    He has chosen all these scum bags from Chicago to be in his cabinet and all these other idiots from environmental groups, Unions, AARP, and it goes on and on and on that he feels he owes a debt of gratitude to for helping to get him elected. That is no way to run a country.
    All these groups of people have their own agenda’s and it sure as hell aint for the good of the country and the American people that reside in this country.
    He has no clue on how to run a country and has turned it all over to all of these fools and the fools in congress and the senate and they have had agendas for years. I mean look at ALL THE PORK they put in the stimulus bill. That was not stimulus. It was all their little pet projects they have wanted for years.
    All the pork needs to stop. These people in congress need to run on their own merits of helping all Americans and America as a whole to become a better country…Not promises of what kind of pork projects we as Americans pay for with our tax dollars for things that don’t even concern us. We don’t live in those communities. If they need things done let them lobby there state congress for these things. If the state congress votes for it let the states sell bonds to pay for it. There is a better way. Our congress is out of control and they do not care what WE THE PEOPLE think of them.
    If real Americans with a brain sit around and do nothing about these people running and ruining our country right now then YOU will be the ones to blame when things become so screwed up that everyone will suffer.
    Get off your duff and when you have a few send letters to your representatives and senators. Write your local newspapers, do something.
    I do not see Mr.Obama being re-elected in 2012. He just does not have what it takes.He is an appeaser and has been form DAY 1 !
    People that voted for him did not really realize what he had in mind when he said change.
    If it aint broke don’t fix it.
    Our healthcare system is not in dire straits. It may need a few tweaks here and there and the insurance companies need to be scolded and more fair to who they insure but the whole system does not need an overhaul. They need to scrap the bill and start over.
    All this BS about cutting medicare and medicaid is disgusting. You can’t hardly find a Dr. now that will take it because of how little they pay the Dr.’s. It will get even worse if it is all turned over to the government.
    Do you hate Dr’s that went to medical school for years and years just to be a Dr. and all they want to do now is make a living. They spent a lot of money and time going to school to learn and the government treats them like crap.
    Drugs companies spends billions on research and development for the drugs you take to help you and you hate drugs companies ?
    Everyone takes everything for granted and never even thinks about what it takes to be a DR. or what went into the making of drugs or machinery that do those MRI’S and such.
    They never think about how much it cost to run a hospital. LIGHTS GAS, WATER, PHONE, MEALS, INSURANCE ON THE BUILDING, TAXES ON THE BUILDING,PAYMENT ON THE BUILDING, EMERGENCY ROOMS, OPERATINGS ROOMS, NURSES, MAIDS, DRS. It goes on and on.
    These people that are complaining about having no health care think it is mandatory that they have health insurance. Get damn job.
    There are programs in place for the poor. It is proven that they do not apply for it. Who’s fault is that ? You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink.
    Maybe Obama can send his troops out to pick all these folks up and take them to the Dr. every month, week, or whenever and sign them up.
    It’s like all these crazy folks on Obamas wagon, that want a government run system just want a new mommy and daddy. They are pathetic.
    THERE IS A BETTER WAY TO TACKLE THIS. The current one is wrong !!
    Some of the crap in that bill is down right evil just like SARAH said.
    GOD BLESS AMERICA !

  141. Lala says:

    from Nishner
    “They also routinely deny coverage for a while host of reasons”
    I know a lot of people and I don’t know one person who was ever denied coverage by a health insurance company.
    But I did read about that woman in Oregon who the State insurance people gave death pills to because they said her illness was too expensive to treat.

  142. anon says:

    I’m not president, Bob, so my accomplishments are not an issue here, that’s a straw man argument.
    “Getting elected” does not qualify you for much of anything other than being a good campaigner, neither does giving a good speech.
    Obama’s legislative record is not one of authoring major legislation or even of bipartisanship…and please don’t give me a list of bills he co sponsored as ‘proof’ this isn’t true.

  143. Sarah says:

    When I tried to get individual coverage from Blue Cross and again tried to get group coverage through my university alumni association, I was denied coverage both times because I have a preexisting condition. They just don’t TAKE anybody with my illness. And I’m not saying they take you and cover everything EXCEPT the preexisting condition. I simply can’t *get* insurance on my own. _At all_ I have a chronic autoimmune disease with no cure and treatment is expensive.
    The only way I can have health insurance is through an employer who offers coverage – in an employment situation the insurance companies have to take me and offer full coverage if the employer is willing to hire me. So I stay employed by someone else rather than starting my own business, which I would like to do.
    I have had two major abdominal surgeries and can reasonably expect to have at least one or two more in my lifetime because there is no cure for my illness. Whether or not a public option, which I support, is accomplished, I am hopeful that after reform, whatever it ends up to be, insurance companies won’t be able to deny coverage on the basis of a preexisting condition.

  144. anon says:

    What makes you think that the government won’t also deny coverage for certain procedures?
    I don’t understand how people think that we are going to pay for basically ‘as much health care as anyone wants’ when we cannot now pay for the care that is provided under Medicare and Medicaid?
    If Medicare and Medicaid are unsustainable, how is putting everone else in the country under a Medicare/Medicaid government run system going to be any more sustainable?
    The real cause for skyrocketing health care costs isn’t even discussed, which is that health insurance ITSELF has distorted the market and Medicare/Medicaid have distorted the market so there is no relationship between the cost that appears on a piece of paper and the actual cost of any procedure.
    Glomming on more bureaucracy to an already dysfunctional system isn’t going to fix it, adding more people to an already dysfunctional system isn’t going to make it cheaper.
    Health care reform doesn’t fix any of the problems, all it does is add to the existing problems.

  145. Nishner says:

    Public Plan isn’t “as much health care as anyone wants”. If you want that, you’ll have to buy supplemental insurance. Yes, the commercial market will still exists. Strange so many people who think the government can’t do anything right seem to believe the Public Plan will result in the demise of commercial insurance. Kindof arguing both sides of the fence.
    Our current health care system is unsustainbale in total if costs continue to rise at multiples of the inflation rate.
    There are lots of reasons for rising health care costs. Blaming them on Medicain/Medicare is ridiculous.
    Administrative costs are a good indication how bureaucratic the system is – commercial health care is much more bureaucratic then a Public Paln would be.
    There is no perfect health care system. Yes, a public plan’s not going to magically cure all it’s ills, but it is a start.

  146. Anon says:

    No, it is an acknowledgement that government doesn’t need to turn a profit, so it can undercut the price of anyone, anywhere, at anytime and that government sets the rules for every industry so if they want set rules that will ensure that no one else can compete with it, then that is exactly what will happen.
    The commercial market for anyone except the very rich will cease to exist within 15-20 years.
    Administrative costs are only indicative of bureaucracy if you are measuring apples to apples. I defy anyone who works in health care to say that there is LESS bureaucracy for a provider in filling a Medicare claim than there is in filing a claim with United Healthcare.
    Consumers are happy with Medicare because there is virtually no limit on their care; yet the government cannot make the plan work financially, and I would submit that if 13% of Medicare goes to fraudulent claims that maybe they need MORE ADMINISTRATRATORS.
    I also don’t think you would find anything close to that level of fraud in a private insurance firm…they have a financial incentive to root out provider and patient fraud and the internal controls would make it virtually impossible for employees to defraud the company via insurance claims.

  147. BogusDems says:

    “Does anyone remember what was said about the Dixie Chicks when all they dared say was that they were embarrassed to be from Texas like the President.”
    The Dixie Chicks were ruined by their fans not buying their product anymore and their own stupidity of not knowing who their fan base was. They could have done damage control, they went on Rolling Stone to remind people of their right to free speech, but then they insulted their fan base more by saying they wanted to play music like Springsteen because he had better fans. That was the nail in their coffin. They were not browbeat into obeying by being turned in on a White House website for saying “fishy” things. Hope people here see the difference.

  148. “Strange so many people who think the government can’t do anything right seem to believe the Public Plan will result in the demise of commercial insurance. Kindof arguing both sides of the fence.”
    Actually, no; it doesn’t matter how inept you are at business if you a) can force others to pay your debt, b) can arbitrarily raise your rates, c) can mandate people to buy your product, and d) can outlaw your competition.
    So here’s a thought for Nishner’s “public plan”:
    1) It must fully account for all its expenses.
    2) It may not take money from the Treasury and instead must make a living solely on the premiums it charges
    3) There will be no mandate to buy health insurance
    Nishner and Barack Obama would never agree to any of those because that’s not the game. Without being able to hide expenses, loot the treasury, and force people to buy its product, the “public plan” would never work.
    And what that makes obvious is that they’re in this game for some reason other than health care. Simple answer: they’re using health care as an excuse to nationalize and take over a sixth of the US economy.

  149. Nishner says:

    I agree. Let’s do it.

  150. I agree. Let’s do it.
    To what, the requirements?
    I repeat myself:
    “Again, Nishner, why haven’t you leftist liberals started your own company, since you insist that you can turn no one down, approve all procedures, and charge people 25% less using your leftist magic powers? The world would beat a pathway to your door, and it wouldn’t require raising anyone’s taxes.”
    Go ahead. Incorporate.

  151. Nishner says:

    To the stipulations in your post, which was for a government Public Option. Or do you now want to back out?

  152. Not at all. Go for it.
    But, as I will point out, you could found a private company that would do exactly the same thing. Indeed, since you insist that this “public option” should take no taxpayer money, should be required to pay for its own expenses, and should survive solely on its premiums, that IS the definition of a private company.
    But then again, you have Oblahblah telling the US public that he intends to give them health care as good as the Postal Service. No wonder you’re bargaining.

  153. Nishner says:

    The Postal Service has a very high customer satisfaction rating.

  154. VictoryInIraqByOurTroops says:

    Proud “liberal”
    Obama said he would end the war multiple times over two years, moving the goal post every single month back and forth and speaking out his mouth sideways. So, he covered his Soros sponsored criminal thuggery every which San Francisco way. He got it front and back. So you can track his statements over time.
    And Obama can NOT end a war our nation won!
    Our brave soldiers, under the leadership of General Petraus won! Victory! They kicked al Quedas ass and Iranian as well, once Bush unleashed them with the surge.
    They did this after the moronic weasel and cowardly statements of Senator Harry Reid said, “we lost”
    What a bunch of scum traitors to our nations cause for victory. That is what you represent – faux “liberal”

  155. Nishner says:

    Again, the Postal Service – at 76% – has a very high satisfaction rate. Higher than all the major health insurers – http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=147&Itemid=155&i=Health+Insurance.
    Gee, I wonder how all those uninsured feel about their insurer? Whoops, guess they didn’t get asked since the don’t have one.
    But Fox News tell us that “Americans are more dissatisfied than citizens of other nations with their basic health care (search) even while paying more of their own money for treatment, a five-nation survey released Thursday notes.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,136990,00.html
    Not to worry though. I’m sure the Republicans and all the Big Bucks from insurers and health providers can stop any sort of meaningful reform. That and the lies we’re being fed – Death Panels, Euthanasia, Government Takeover.