Health Care

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September 9, 2009

Update: Supposed to be recording a podcast with Mellissa Clouthier and others at 9:45 – will link when it's up … tomorrow, I assume.

This is email from Pundita.:

Karl Rove tour de force: Went down the list of O's claims, point by point and demolished or called into question each one. Did it in about 7 minutes — could have been less if Bill O'Reilly hadn't kept interrupting him with inane comments. So it's a shame Rove wasn't the formal opposition reply to speech instead of LA surgeon congressional. Rove segment led off O'Reilly show after O'Reilly's talking points. Rove comment about bitterly partisan speech was interesting contrast to NBC Brian Williams's observation that the speech was about "rebranding Obama as a pragmatist and a centrist."

It's difficult to make predicitions as to how the average American perhaps not following this closely will react. It seemed to me he was far too pie in the sky in his presentation. Basically, he went on and on about the positives to the point where anyone with common sense might begin to think, What is he not saying? Nothing is that perfect.

In the end, this is a battle of attrition. Democrats seek to wear the topic down until it simply passes from weariness of the debate. My guess is his speech changes nothing. Republicans up now.

I figured out his strategy. He's going to put the country to sleep so they can pass the bill without us knowing it.

Kennedy could have made Mary Jo "better" just by opening the car door. What a joke.

Quoting Kennedy on American moralism?? Man, this guy has more gag lines than Gallager.

He mentioned townhalls? ha ha ha Now that was smart!

His door is always open? lol Why doesn't he just leave. Everyone would benefit immediately.

Will a public plan cover me if watching this idiot lie makes me sick?

What a bunch of morons we have on both sides.

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Comments:
  1. Xerocky says:

    This speech reminds me of the president from idiocracy, making an endless stream of promises that he knows nothing about.
    “8:46 PM: How to pay: I won’t sign any bill that adds one dime to the deficit now or in the future (which he repeated).”
    I don’t mean to be cynical, but so far that’s not his track record. Would he be absolutely positive that he could have said the same thing about the bill that he demanded be done on 8/1 ?
    Of course not.
    Props to Joe Wilson for telling it like it is. I know that some think it wasn’t a classy move to yell like that, but he lies so much, he and the rest of the world should have to know that not everyone buys every word he says hook line and sinker.
    How exactly does Barry know that illegals won’t get coverage? Is there anything specific that he can say? Like usual, no there isn’t.

  2. Captain Joe says:

    What! Does he think he’s going to round up all the illegals and send them back. Him and whose army. Maybe Big Sis’s army.

  3. Marty says:

    “I figured out his strategy. He’s going to put the country to sleep so they can pass the bill without us knowing it.”
    Yep. I feel asleep about half way in. It was really uplifting and inspiring oratory.

  4. WPE says:

    Joe Wilson is a Dick.

  5. Ad rem says:

    Sheesh! Of course the main point of this entire health care sham is the funding for a steady stream of illegal aliens. Kudos to Joe Wilson for the testicular fortitude! That dufas McCain couln’t wait to get his face of CNN….he’s their go-to schmuck for all things Republican.

  6. Dan Riehl says:

    Yeah, loved McCain’s glow – Yeah that was my IDEA!! Waay to go, schmuck.

  7. WPE says:

    Wilson’s an idiot that apparently forgot the manners his mother taught him.
    If you run all the illegals out of the coutnry the agriculture industry will collapse, the construction industry will collapse, the food service industry will collapse, the meat packing industry will collapse, and pretty much every other industry based on menial labor will take a major hit.
    And no, illegal immigrants WILL NOT BE COVERED UNDER THE BILL.
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

  8. Chris says:

    WPE, they bill does not allow you to check for immigration status. Therefore illegals will be covered. If someone told you that you need a driver’s license to drive but the police will never check for it, does that really mean you need a license?
    And no, removing the illegals won’t cause those industries to collapse. It will actually bring some sanity back to them and make them respectable paying jobs. For instance, you could actually support a family 25 years ago in the meat packing job. Now wages are cheaper than they were 25 years ago. That is a bad thing.

  9. anginak says:

    I’ll tell you what he was NOT saying. If the deficit is not to be increased by ONE DIME in payment of this bill… then how? He did not say.

  10. dr kill says:

    Hahahaha, WPE, you are certainly a howler. I love you like a brother. Let me give you a hint. Use more caps. Hahahahaha. I love that menial labor too. Why not organize them? Hahahahaha.

  11. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    “Now, he says, “individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance — just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.”
    He proposes a hardship waiver, exempting from the requirement those who cannot afford coverage despite increased federal aid.”
    I LUUUUV this part. Love the idea that 20 somethings will be forced to buy insurance…..unless they cannot afford it even with “increased” aid. SO much for free insurance.

  12. Gonzales says:

    “””H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”””
    When those illegals show up at the ER to get medical care and they can’t prove citizenship, are they going to be turned away? If not, who pays for the medical bills they rack up? What’s that, HC will now be “free” for anyone who runs through the door? So why ask them to prove citizenship in the first placed as the U.S. apparently has unlimited care available for everyone.
    Stupid.

  13. WAHOO WILLIE says:

    I’m enjoying with school girl glee watching the demonrats in general being treated like they treated GWB….in most areas. Joe Wilson however was out of line. Very unseemly, unprofessioonal and very like a typical demonrat to disrespect the POTUS like he did.

  14. WPE says:

    No Democrat ever yealled “liar” at GWB in a nationally televised speech before Congress. And as usual for a Wing-nut, Rep. Wilson was wrong on the facts – Obama was telling the truth about the bill – it doesn’t cover illegal aliens.
    Which makes Rep. Wilson a dick and clueless.

  15. USMC says:

    WPE, if illegals aren’t covered then why is every radical pro amnesty group supporting this travesty? Because Hussein wants to pass amnesty they will no longer be illegal.
    WPE are you an exploitative racist?
    “If you run all the illegals out of the country the agriculture industry will collapse, the construction industry will collapse, the food service industry will collapse, the meat packing industry will collapse, and pretty much every other industry based on menial labor will take a major hit.”
    The reason is these companies pay them garbage money. Americans will do it just not for the slave wages they do it for. These folks are being exploited and you know it.
    For the exception of the rapists, murderers, thieves and the MS-13 who is smuggling terrorists for $30-50,000 a head I feel sorry for these folks. You progressives will do to them what you did to the “black” family: Put them in projects, kill the father figure or put him in jail, abort them in the wombs and enslave them with government money and a slave mindset and then blame someone else for their misery.
    Slavery didn’t work, so you passed Jim Crow that didn’t work so you founded the KKK, that didn’t work so you put them in projects and killed 20 million in the womb and millions more through black on black crime created by hopelessness on the plantations, I mean projects and inner cities.
    I love Wilson! He shouldn’t have apologized. Obama is a freakin’ traitor and a lying sack of…. I’m glad Wilson did what he did. I swear some of you think this is just politics as usual.
    This is a major struggle for America’s survival and some of you want to be civil?
    “No Democrat ever yelled “liar” at GWB in a nationally televised speech before Congress.”
    No they just undermined him during freakin’ WAR!!! They accused our troops of war crimes, they said the “war is lost!” during an operation, trashed him at every turn in a war environment. That is freakin’ despicable.
    Did you whine and bitch when Pelosi called me “un-American” because I disagree with this filthy plan? How about racist, Nazi, ignorant, mob, astroturfer, tea bagger,etc.,etc.
    If Wilson’s a “dick” so be it. Better a “dick” than the gonorrhea in the White House, Congress and all the Progressives who support them.
    Semper Fi

  16. mark l. says:

    “No Democrat ever yelled “liar” at GWB in a nationally televised speech before Congress.”
    they just made sure that code pink got passes so they could have their dirty work done by proxy, repeatedly.
    the dems and obama should thank wilson. it was a miserable speech, and it might have finished with 25 million viewers. wilson gives the dems something to talk about, other than how bad a night it was.
    what happened to the greatest show on earth?
    if I need someone to do “vague rhetoric” at parties, barry’s the man.
    if I need a policy speech, I’d get another actor.

  17. USMC says:

    Better a “dick” than the gonorrhea the progressive movement is.

  18. D Davis says:

    Turns out Wilson was right. Obama is lying about immigrants not receiving coverage under his plan.
    http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/09/house-bill-does-cover-illegals.html

  19. WPE says:

    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
    Too complicated for you to understand?

  20. GDCritter says:

    FYI — Axelrod was on O’Reilly right after Rove. It was really interesting watching him make such flagrantly false statements with a perfectly straight face. Of course, in Chicago politics, he’s had a LOT of practice.

  21. Lala says:

    Found on FR
    TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]

  22. mark l. says:

    so let me see if my math is right…
    he needed 1 trillion for 47 million uninsured, for x number of years.
    avg spending over x years per individual is 21,276 dollars.
    now he ‘only’ needs 900 billion for 30 million uninsured, for x number of years.
    avg spending over x years per individual is now, 30,000 dollars.
    wtf?
    obama raised the amount he would allocate per individual by over 40%. what a ‘moderate’.

  23. WPE says:

    First, moron Rep Wilson called Obama a liar. That’s a personal insult, far worse than booing.
    As for booing, Ted’s wrong. Republicans booed Clinton – several times.
    # PAUL BEGALA (CNN host): Let me correct your history — 1993, I was with President Bill Clinton in that House chamber when he addressed a joint session of Congress. And Republicans heckled him when he cited Congressional Budget Office statistics about the deficit. [CNN, Crossfire, 2/3/05]
    # “Clinton’s proposal to expand Medicare to allow Americans as young as 55 to buy into the system drew shouts of “no” and some boos from Republicans during his speech.” [Chicago Tribune, 1/28/98]
    # “Only once did they unmistakably and collectively show their disapproval — when Clinton spoke disparagingly of a GOP-sponsored constitutional amendment to balance the budget. Many Republicans hissed and some booed.” [Los Angeles Times, 2/5/97]
    # “The upheaval wrought by the Republican election landslide was visible throughout the president’s State of the Union address — from the moment Speaker Newt Gingrich took the gavel to the striking silence that often greeted Clinton from the GOP. At one point, Republicans even booed. About 20 of them left as Clinton went on and on for an hour and 20 minutes.” [Associated Press, 1/24/95]

  24. Lala says:

    Calling a liar a liar is a good thing.

  25. Lala says:

    Best comment so far by Stephen Green
    5:58PM Self-reliance! Love of freedom! Skepticism of government! And socialized medicine! Sing it with me now: One of these things is not like the other…

  26. WPE says:

    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS
    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

  27. mark l. says:

    well lookee here…
    http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/H.R._3200
    from the daily kos? it must be true.
    “How H.R. 3200 Allows Coverage for Illegal Aliens:
    1. Does Not Require Proof of Citizenship to Obtain Health Services: While Section 246 (page 143) of the bill expressly prohibits illegal aliens from receiving government-run healthcare, the bill does not include a specific requirement that a person prove his or her citizenship in order to obtain affordability credits, which means that illegal aliens could obtain coverage. Section 152 states that “all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services”. This provision has the potential to include illegal immigrants because it may interpret “personal characteristics” to include legal status. (Pages 50-51, 143)
    2. Requires That If One Family Member Is Covered, All Members Covered: Another provision states that if one member of a family is afforded coverage all members would have coverage, thereby creating another loophole to give taxpayer-subsidized health care to illegal aliens. If a child of illegal aliens is born in the United States, then the entire family becomes eligible for coverage. Page 133
    3. Requires Free Translation Services: Sections 1222 of the bill will provide free translation services and interpreters to those who are not proficient in English. Section 1728 amends SCHIP to provide translation services to children of families and other individuals for whom English is not the primary language. Pages 408-418 and 782″
    gosh WPE, the link even has a section for rebutting these contentions…all but 1 have no response or counter argument. You should go help them.

  28. Ah, the hilarity and stupidity of the worthless WPE.
    Notice how WPE first blabbers that illegal immigrants will not receive health insurance because the bill says they won’t.
    Then he follows up with this:
    “If you run all the illegals out of the coutnry the agriculture industry will collapse, the construction industry will collapse, the food service industry will collapse, the meat packing industry will collapse, and pretty much every other industry based on menial labor will take a major hit.”
    Amazingly enough, there is a LAW that specifically states that illegal immigrants are banned from working in the United States and may not receive the benefit of employment.
    So that leaves one of two possibilities:
    1) No illegal immigrants are employed in any of the industries WPE mentions, which means getting rid of all of them would have zero effect on said industries
    or
    2) Illegal immigrants are getting the benefits of employment despite there being a Federal ban on it
    The correct answer is 2) — which also demonstrates how utterly worthless Federal bans are, especially since Barack Obama and the Obama Party have demonstrated that they will not enforce them.
    So Barack Obama lied. This is no surprise to anyone, nor is the fact that WPE, a syncophant who is incapable of doing anything but worshiping and obeying Obama, is in denial of that fact.

  29. Lala says:

    How did the number of uninsured get reduced to 30,000,000 in just a few days? If we keep this up we won’t need no stinkin’ socialized medicine.

  30. And you know what’s funny? Even the Associated Press, of all people, says that Obama’s a bald-faced liar.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_fact_check

  31. xerocky says:

    “First, moron Rep Wilson called Obama a liar. That’s a personal insult, far worse than booing.”
    But it changes nothign. Obama’s a big boy, and when he lies, he can handle being called a liar.