Karl Rove, Progressive Republican

October 20, 2010

Karl Rove seems to be taking some heat for his saying the Tea Party is less sophisticated than the Reagan Revolution - enough heat to tug on Tucker Carlson's chain for a slight walk-back, anyway. That's some leash. I guess it extends to Texas after all. Heh! But pay attention to the bit from Rove in bold below. What he calls progress, we call progressivism of the Republican sort. And that's just the sort of big government Republicanism I would link to Karl Rove.

SPIEGEL: But is he so different from other Democratic presidents? Take Lyndon B. Johnson. He introduced Medicare.

Rove: Even LBJ in Medicare insisted upon a robust private role. Obama is culturally and philosophically to the left of Johnson.

SPIEGEL: Are you convinced, then, that the Republican Party will be able to integrate the Tea Party without drifting too far to the right?

Rove: Sure. There have been movements like this before — the Civil Rights movement, the anti-war movement, the pro-life movement, the Second Amendment rights movement. All of them popped up, insistent, loud, and relatively unsophisticated. They wanted everything now and for politicians to be with them 100 percent of the time. And after an election or two, people wake up saying, our system produces mostly incremental progress and takes time and compromise. That's exactly what's going to happen here.I meet a lot of Tea Partiers as I go around the country, and they are amazing people. Most have never been involved in politics before. This is their first experience, and they have the enthusiasm of people who have never done it before.

SPIEGEL: Is the Tea Party movement a repeat of the Reagan Revolution?

Rove: It's a little bit different because the Reagan Revolution was driven a lot by the persona of one man, Ronald Reagan, who had an optimistic and sunny view of what the nation could be. It was also a well-organized, coherent, ideologically motivated and conservative revolution. If you look underneath the surface of the Tea Party movement, on the other hand, you will find that it is not sophisticated. It's not like these people have read the economist Friedrich August von Hayek. Rather, these are people who are deeply concerned about what they see happening to their country, particularly when it comes to spending, deficits, debt and health care.

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  1. salvage says:

    In the Teabagger’s defense at least they wouldn’t sell weapons to Iran like Ronnie did.

  2. Dave in dallas says:

    Truth about reagan? He said what the people already believed… It wasn’t a cult of personality, it was traditional americanism… Rove is once again an azzhole… How does he know who has read hayek… And besides, constitutionally limited govt accomplishes the framework to make hsyek work, and how many freakin legislators havent even read THAT?
    Rove is doing the progressives work of calling us stupid, and it pizzes me off no less now than when he started with it.

  3. Matt from GA says:

    Of course, Karl, the progress will be incremental. All progress is incremental. And, incrementally, both you and your fatalism will become less and less relevant.

  4. EQV says:

    What an elitist snob. Rove needs to go on the RINO endangered species list along with McCain, Snowe, Collins & Peggy Noonan – and just let them talk themselves out of relevance.
    He’s been inside the Beltline way too long. What is it about Republican pol/ops (doesn’t seem to happen to Dems, like raging Howard Dean) – it’s like they get Stockholm syndrome – and start to identify with the oppressor.
    It’s only when Obama & his lackeys take a direct personal hit on Rove that he gets his ire up & becomes passionate about something – other than Christine O’Donnell of course.

  5. King Samir Shabazz (D-black panther!) says:

    salbage, id dat you cracker? Iz not to sure dat be you, ’cause dat was an aweful weak cracker-crack you made dare. Yous gosta’ be doin’ better dan dat. Cracker please!

  6. anon says:

    I don’t see anything offensive about what he said, the Tea Partiers are for the most part politcal neophyes in a way that the Reagan team never was, I don’t even think this is debatable, so what’s the problem? Rove is saying that they’re going to learn that Rome wasn’t built in a day, and they will.

  7. Matt from GA says:

    @EQV: You hit it on the head with one word: passion. None of the people you listed (plus numerous others) have any passion at all. They would try to talk Albert Einstein out of getting out of bed every morning. They would tell MLK it’ll never happen. They would tell Christine O’Donnell to stay home, that she’ll never be elected. Oh wait, that’s not just hyperbole!

  8. Karl Rove, Whig Party block captain…

  9. JadedByPolitcs says:

    I cannot stand that tool! I look forward to making him EAT HIS WORDS, we the TEA Party Movement are going to be around for a long time and we will be WRENCHING the Republican Party to the RIGHT!

  10. Matt from GA says:

    Refactoring the Republican Party is fine, but I prefer a literal Tea Party. People from all walks of political life can support smaller government. If the purpose for the party is focused on limiting the size of the federal government and reducing taxes, then social issues will not be as much of a factor. Let the states hammer out social issues.

  11. I guarantee more Tea Partiers have read Hayek (or the Constitution, or the Declaration of Independence, or the Federalist Papers) than have members of Congress — either in total or as a percentage of the total pool.
    Roves comment about the “lack of sophistication” is elitist, arrogant and snobbish. What did sophistication get us? More spending, more debt, bigger government. And that was just under HIS boss.
    What a prick.

  12. Martin says:

    Rove doesn’t know much about economics, judging by the massive spending (well, massive in the old days, before Obama redefined massive) his boss engaged in while receiving Rove’s ‘guidance’.

  13. memomachine says:

    *shrug* Karl Rove is a political opportunist looking for a meal ticket. For myself I find him to be largely irrelevant.

  14. gary gulrud says:

    The Dark Lord seems to have Ogabe’s gift. No echo chamber is too small, they’re deaf as a post.

  15. Megga-McBoobies (26 yo woman speaking) says:

    And that’s, uh, like why I like, you know, like-like Carl, hehhheehehehe (.)(.)

  16. Toni says:

    There’s a group here in TN called ‘Conservatives On The Move’. They are having an event in March where they had Karl Rove booked to be the speaker. They’d already paid a deposit and they couldn’t sell any tickets. Everybody kept telling them no when they heard Rove was the keynote speaker. I was at a 912 meeting and one of the leaders of the group was there pitching the event to me and I told even before Rove opened his piehole about O’Donnell I would be saying the same thing…HELL NO. I mentioned Rove’s comment from 2007 during the immigration debate that he didn’t want his 17 yr old son picking lettuce in a field and that his diatribe on O’Donnell was just more of the same from Rove. Anyway, gist is they canceled Rove for the event and have now booked Col. Oliver North! The event is now filling up. Rove needs to go away and spend time with all of his elitist ruling class buddies.

  17. Roger says:

    Karl Rove LOL
    Being called a ‘disaster’ by Rove is like the Devil accusing someone of being a sinner.

  18. Dave in Houston says:

    Is Rove forgetting the Reagan Democrats, blue collar union guys who were fed up with Carter? He has talked about them before as an important part of the Reagan’s winning coalition and I am willing to bet most of them did not read Hayek or the Federalist Papers.
    They were certainly sophisticated enough to understand that Carter, as with Obama, is taking the country down the drain.
    More nuanced crap from the Washington insider clique types.

  19. caryly says:

    Sounds like his Roving. Days are well over. …

  20. SM says:

    Let the states hammer out social issues.
    What an idea!
    The thing is that BEFORE the states can hammer out social issues, control over them has to be taken away from DC and returned to the states.
    You’d think that this would be obvious to everyone, but you’d be wrong.

  21. SJ Reidhead says:

    How long does this abject lunacy continue?
    I have begun to believe the extreme right has become a tool of the DNC. How else can one logically explain the abject stupidity of attacking Karl Rove as a “RINO”.
    May God Have Mercy on Us All!
    The Pink Flamingo

  22. Jack says:

    In reviewing one’s intelligence, intelligence is measured by whot one realizes one does not know. The more limited the unknown, the less intelligent one is. Only by having intelligence can one really understand the limitless fountain of knowledge that circumnnavigates the Universe, thus: Karl Keep Talkin, for it is better to speak out and be known a fool, or is it the other way around???????

  23. SM says:

    I have begun to believe the extreme right has become a tool of the DNC.
    You know, Pink, you have always sounded like a tool of the DNC yourself, what with your endless crying about the “extreme right”. It is also hardly something you have “just begun” to do.
    And frequently you just sound like a tool.

  24. Moobs says:

    why does salvage have a problem with selling weapons to iran?

  25. UtahConservative says:

    IMO, Karl Rove is still very important not just to the establishment but the direction of the Republican party overall. Definitely in the top 10 of current Republican opinion leaders.
    1. Palin
    2. Limbaugh
    3. Beck
    4. GWB
    5. Ailes
    6. Rove
    7. Levin
    8. Krauthammer
    Rove reps the amnesty/big govt. progressive wing of the Republican party, and is very influential with American Crossroads and his Fox gig.
    Luckily, with Palin top of the list is now conservative Republicans.