Why The McConnell Plan Is A Loser For The GOP

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July 12, 2011

You can read down into the details of McConnell's plan to avoid voting to raise the debt ceiling via Philip Klein. Once again, steeped in Beltway politics, the GOP has out thought itself and will be a loser on this one, while fooling themselves into believing they've actually won something.

To them, three meaningless dog and pony shows in stages running into election 2012 is a win because Obama, not the Congress, will be raising the debt limit. Nonsense. What they will be doing is abrogating their responsibility and playing politics, to boot.

It is Obama, not the GOP, that is holding to his principles. Consequently, Obama comes off looking strong, while the GOP looks weak. And those three, or however many, dog and pony shows? They are genuinely meaningless. If they were going to cave to Obama – and that is precisely what they will be doing, they could have at least done that straight up in a principled manner. Instead, they will be seen as conniving, forcing the nation to endure otherwise meaningless political theater time and again as all this silliness plays out. Principled behavior, even in defeat, appears to be too much to ask from today's GOP leadership.

If you want to know how truly stupid and useless is today's Republican Party, just sum it up – it's the simple truth. They caved on their self-professed principles, look weak in comparison to Obama, while doing precisely the type of thing Americans loathe – playing politics and engaging in meaningless theatrics on issues of national import. And to them, all that constitutes a smart move and adds up to a win.

What it tells us is the establisment GOP is run by a bunch of losers. Today's GOP is worse than useless, it's an enabler and a willing partner of the Democrats in Big Government Washington that voters threw out in droves as recently as 2010. The GOP has all but squandered any momentum they might have enjoyed from last year. By 2012, voters will be throwing some of them out, too.

 And they will deserve it.

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Comments:
  1. Dave Budge says:

    So you mean the the GOP can’t display its principles in the budget process? Isn’t that where the real action is? After all the debt limit is better constrained by spending authorization bills.
    But, for the record, there won’t be a default one way or another. But I think McConnell’s plan needs to be used if the final deal is just a bunch of imaginary cuts in the out years.

  2. Ricky says:

    “Today’s GOP is worse then useless, it’s an enabler and a willing partner of the Democrats in Big Government Washington that voters threw out in droves as recently as 2010. The GOP has all but squandered any momentum they might have enjoyed from last year. By 2012, voters will be throwing some of them out, too.”
    Right on, Right on!
    However, I don’t think they care. As long as the lefties keep talking about them (i.e Boehner) in such glowing terms as they did on the McClaulign Group on PBS last Saturday. They may lose conservatives, but hey, the cool kids (Dems) are starting to love them!

  3. Kyle says:

    I don’t think it’s too crazy to predict that one of these days, China is going to ride into town and literally hold 99% of U.S. citizens as slaves. The Washington Elite, CEOs, and Celebrities will be treated well, the rest of us will be laboring 16 hours a day.
    I’ve been saying for a while that the GOP are just enablers of the Democrats, because that’s what they’ve been doing time and again, enabling Democrats.

  4. rae4palin says:

    Yep. That sums it up. Sarah Palin’s leadership is our last hope to reform the GOP.

  5. Drago says:

    So, how much in discretionary spending is our brand spanking new “deficit hawk” president obambi willing to cut in order to curb our increasing debt?
    LOL!
    Are you ready?
    Really?
    You’ll need to be…..
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/mcconnell_outlines_three_step_debt_contingency_plan-207218-1.html?pos=hftxt
    snip “In the nearly two-hour-long White House meeting Monday afternoon during which leaders reviewed savings found last month by a group led by Vice President Joseph Biden, McConnell asked only one question, according to a Republican source familiar with the talks.
    “How much does the Biden plan actually cut from next year’s discretionary spending budget?” the Kentucky Republican asked the room.
    Obama’s Office of Management and Budget Director Jacob Lew told him, “$2 billion.”
    A second source close to the original Biden group confirmed this number.”
    2 Billion.
    You read that right: 2 Billion.
    Not Trillion.
    Billion.
    And, oh yeah, obambi says no entitlement reform.
    So there you have it.
    We are currently at an annual deficit of $1.6 Trillion thanks to the insane spending of the dems.
    And obambi wants to cut………..2 Billion.
    LOL!!
    Mikey will be along shortly to explain why this is “serious leadership”.
    LOL!!

  6. Ragspierre says:

    Lessee….
    Obama proposes budget…ZERO–ZIP—NADA—votes for it. Deemocrat support…nil.
    Obama PUNTS to a ‘commission’.
    Obama IGNORES HIS commission’s recommendations.
    Obama gives a FLUCKING SPEECH…which is somehow a second budget…but is devoid of anything…substance-like…
    Leadership?
    I dun tink so, LOOoooooooooooocy.

  7. Nishner says:

    The commission never made any recommendations. They needed to have 14 of the eighteen vote to approve a report. They didn’t get it.
    Hence, no report. So you’re a liar.
    Doesn’t matter anyway. There would have been tax increase / closing tax loopholes as part of it and TeaTards say, No!, No!, No!. to that.
    Funny, right now it looks like Republicans are the one with the Leadership Gap!

  8. Ragspierre says:

    I love it when you lie, nish.
    It gives me a chance to nail you to the wall…again.
    In a surprise move, the co-chairs of Barack Obama’s national debt commission released their preliminary proposals to the media on Wednesday.
    The proposals are actually quite modest – they recommend that nothing be implemented until 2012 because of the weak economy, and their plan would not balance the federal budget until 2037 – but almost as soon as it was released Democrats and Republicans both started screaming bloody murder about how they would not support it.
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/debt-commission-is-unrealistic-2010-11#ixzz1RwKJd8tS
    and
    The commission leaders said that, at present, federal revenue is fully consumed by three programs: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. “The rest of the federal government, including fighting two wars, homeland security, education, art, culture, you name it, veterans — the whole rest of the discretionary budget is being financed by China and other countries,” Simpson said.
    “We can’t grow our way out of this,” Bowles said. “We could have decades of double-digit growth and not grow our way out of this enormous debt problem. We can’t tax our way out. . . . The reality is we’ve got to do exactly what you all do every day as governors. We’ve got to cut spending or increase revenues or do some combination of that.”
    and
    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The final report from the Obama debt commission was approved by 11 of the 18 commission members on a strong bipartisan basis.
    Even those who voted for the plan, however, stressed there were parts of it that gave them “heartburn.” But they voted for it anyway because they saw it as pushing the national conversation in the right direction.
    Overall, the commission’s plan would reduce the country’s accumulated debt to 40% of the overall economy by 2035, down from the 185% currently projected.

  9. Ragspierre says:

    Leadership gap!!!! How hilarious….!!!!!
    President “Leading From His Rear” in the WH, after all…
    Leaders of Obama debt commission go rogue
    As a government shutdown looms, Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson, co-chairmen of the bipartisan deficit commission, have created the Moment of Truth Project to push recommendations for cutting the budget deficit by $828 billion over the next five years.
    Former White House chief of staff Erskine Bowles, left, and former Republican Senator from Wyoming Alan Simpson, right, testify before a Senate Budget Committee hearing on the report of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform.
    Determined to ensure their work lives on, the co-chairmen of the bipartisan deficit commission appointed by President Obama have gone rogue, working Capitol Hill to pressure lawmakers to consider their proposals to tackle the nation’s debt challenges.
    Erskine Bowles, a former Clinton administration official, and Alan Simpson, a former Republican senator from Wyoming, launched Tuesday what they called the “Moment of Truth Project,” adopting the title of the final report issued by the panel they led, the Bipartisan Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform
    They recommended.
    He ignored.
    nish LIED. Again.

  10. Nishner says:

    You’re an idiot DragPierre.
    “the commission needed 14 of 18 members to officially send the plan to Congress.”
    11 is less than 14, hence there was NO official report. That’s why it didn’t go to Congress, and Congress didn’t vote on it.

  11. Ragspierre says:

    OH….
    So it was not “official”…!!!!
    But there were recommendations.
    And there WAS a REPORT.
    That OBAMA COMMISSIONED.
    THEN IGNORED.
    That is HIS REPORT…FROM HIIIIIIISSSSS COMMISSION.
    But it was never reported “officially” to Congress.
    nish is a liar.
    Double-down. Liar.

  12. Nishner says:

    The deal was it had to be approved by 14 of the 18 commissioners to go to Congress. It didn’t get the votes, hence wasn’t released. And Congress never had to vote on it. That was the agreement. Expecting Obama to implement a report that couldn’t even make it to Congress is moronic. And it would have never gotten through Congress. The unofficial called for larger TAX INCREASES than anything Obama’s proposed, and we know how that’ll work out in the House.
    Them’s the facts.

  13. Ragspierre says:

    “Expecting Obama to implement a report that couldn’t even make it to Congress is moronic.”
    Why?
    It was his report.
    From his commission.
    He could have adopted it, championed it.
    He could have done LOTS of things besides IGNORING IT.
    Which is what he did do.
    He’s a leadership vacuum.
    Obama made it worse.

  14. Ragspierre says:

    Lessee….
    Obama proposes budget…ZERO–ZIP—NADA—votes for it. Deemocrat support…nil.
    Obama PUNTS to a ‘commission’.
    Obama IGNORES HIS commission’s recommendations.
    Obama gives a FLUCKING SPEECH…which is somehow a second budget…but is devoid of anything…substance-like…
    Leadership?
    I dun tink so, LOOoooooooooooocy.
    ——————————————-
    That was so true, I thought bears repeating…

  15. palmyra says:

    You’re so right, Dan. I wish Mr. McConnell would go back to Kentucky and stay there. We’ll be polite & thank him for his service in the past (I guess), but please, it’s time to go home . . . . . well, long past time, actually. We need new, real leadership. He just can’t seem to get out of that elite, old guard, inside-the-beltway way of thinking. Awful. Just so disappointing to have to endure.

  16. astonerii says:

    Um, every option that ends with a higher debt ceiling and anything higher than $500,000,000,000 in deficit spending in 2012 with it tapering down to surplus by 2021 is a loser for the Republicans. Plain and simple. If they cannot save the country, what is the point in working our asses off to send them money and helping them run campaigns? None. It has been like this ever since the 1920s. There just simply is not a good Republican majority to be found in this country at the federal level, period.
    If we had an R president and R house and R senate, we likely would still not get what would be required to fix this nations pocketbook, because they would still be looking at the election 2 years, 4 years and 6 years down the road.

  17. astonerii says:

    You know what. I have the answer to this problem. Constitutional Amendment, that would have to be started at the states and forced through congress. It basically authorizes every two years a nationwide vote. Do you feel that the government is headed in the right direction? Yes/No. If a majority votes no, then every single member of the House and Senate are barred from running for any federal office other than President from the time of the vote and the end of their term. Call it unlimited term limits.

  18. barfo says:

    “If we had an R president and R house and R senate, we likely would still not get what would be required to fix this nations pocketbook, because they would still be looking at the election 2 years, 4 years and 6 years down the road.”
    Americans like government programs…and the consequences of defaulting on the debt would be worse than any imaginary benefits

  19. sartana says:

    It seems people are passing over remarks by McConnell today that any real solution could not be arrived at with this current president.
    I was floored by this- coming from Mitch McConnel? For him to be using this kind of language publicly signifies to me that both he and Boehner have finally realized the sinister nature of Dr. Soetoro/Mr. Obama. They’ve finally realized what his harshest critics on the Right have been trumpeting since ’08- he really is a diabolical madman who wants only destruction and chaos and he really doesn’t give a damn. Like The Joker as portrayed by Heath Ledger.
    That’s the only way that McConnell’s bizarre plan of today makes any sense. It’s like he’s seen Obama with a can of gasoline and a Zippo lighter and old Mitch wants to get the hell out of the building before it goes up.

  20. sickofrinos says:

    If oshothead keeps throwing his blacks down in that hole with no ladder, we might get the situation this country needs. Old bitch from kentucky should be in that hole as well. Lock and load mother pluckers.

  21. Ragspierre says:

    “…the consequences of defaulting on the debt would be worse than any imaginary benefits”.
    REALLY, barfa…????
    Why don’t you list them each.
    Costs and benefits.
    (This’ll be fun!!!)

  22. Ragspierre says:

    “Americans like government programs.”
    People like getting something for nothing. Always have.
    Greeks like a life-style they haven’t earned. They can’t have it any more.
    The Romans liked bread and circuses. That could not be sustained.
    See the pattern, moron???

  23. Ragspierre says:

    “Despite intense lobbying of Congress by President Obama, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, and others in the administration about the economic urgency for raising the nation’s debt limit,
    ****fewer than one in four Americans favor the general idea of raising it.****
    Also, Americans are significantly more concerned about the budgetary risk of giving the government a new license to spend than they are about the potential economic consequences that would result from not raising the debt limit. Both of these findings put Americans more on congressional Republicans’ side of the debate than Obama’s — at least in terms of political leverage as the two sides negotiate a deal.”
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/148454/Debt-Ceiling-Increase-Remains-Unpopular-Americans.aspx
    Hmm…
    apparently Americans are smarter than Collectivists.

  24. gary gulrud says:

    Word.
    Our government has become the enemy.

  25. USA American says:

    Ah the comedy in listening to the Teatards whine that Obama isn’t accepting their false premise of austerity uber alles. One would think that, by now, you Collectivist geniuses would have gotten used to disappointment. Your masters were never going to let this happen. So they ordered McConnell to blink. McConnell being McConnell, crafted a plan that gives President Obama wide authority to cut what HE wants. If this flies (and that’s a big IF), say hello to the public option; say hello to massive defense cuts; say hello to closing the corporate welfare program the Borg Collectivists love so much. All of which become law unless Congress specifically REJECTS them. How’s that gonna work? Don’t worry, it probably won’t.
    In any event, you’ll keep drinking your Collectivist Kool Aid that convinces your hive brains that Obama’s a stoooooooooooopid affirmative action candidate, for the next year. And he’ll keep drinking your milkshakes.
    By the way, how’s your primary coming along: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/obama-raises-record-breaking-86-million/2011/07/13/gIQAOSg6BI_blog.html?hpid=z1

  26. Ragspierre says:

    Um…Bush beat Obama’s fund raising, idiot. Look. It. Up.
    Sorry to burst your pustule.
    Good to have you show your true stripe, here, stupid, evil, lying harpy.
    Anti-defense.
    Anti-market business (and pro monopoly/fascist economics).
    PRO job-killing taxes.
    And always PRO BIG GOVERNMENT.
    Just like Obama…
    who made it worse.

  27. USA American says:

    “Um…Bush beat Obama’s fund raising, idiot. Look. It. Up.”
    Oh? Is Bush running for president again? Prove it.
    “Anti-defense.
    Anti-market business (and pro monopoly/fascist economics).
    PRO job-killing taxes.
    And always PRO BIG GOVERNMENT.”
    Austerity Uber Alles!!!! Poor Borg Collectivist. Hey, McConnell offered. Bohener said “good job, Mitch.” Grover Nordquist is on board too. And your Collectivist heroes rejected Obama’s offer of 4 trillion in cuts. Maybe because Eric Cantor told Bohner that he couldn’t short the collapse if a deal was struck. Who knows? Maybe you should question the leaders of your Borg Collective as to why THEY don’t seem to be drinking the same Kool Aid they serve to you.
    And by the way, what in the world is up with Michelle Bachmann’s gay husband? I’m beginning to think the Borg Collective is made up of nothing but an army of self-loathing Dan Whites.

  28. Terry says:

    So sad. The grand OLD party just can’t get a break. Maybe President Bachmann and her very heterosexual husband can restore dignity to this great nation.

  29. USA American says:

    With the assistance of the Bachmanns’ hate preacher, I’m sure that the dignity of the Fatherland will be restored, and our national bodily fluids will be purified.

  30. Ragspierre says:

    Yeah, Hahn won by 10% in a district with an 18% registration gap.
    An LA plutocrat who courted gang-bangers for support.
    And UAssMORON is all proud of that…!?!?!?
    O-ba-ma
    O-ba-ma

  31. USA American says:

    “O-ba-ma
    O-ba-ma”
    …. Keeps drinking your Collectivist milkshake.
    I wonder how someone so obviously stoooooooooopid, like the Kenyan, could ROUTINELY thwart the preening intellect of the Enlightened 5th year law student at Unaccredited Internet Law School, Inc.

  32. Ragspierre says:

    You just showed your ass…again…UAssMORON.
    You broke and ran, frothing ad hominem.
    We all see you.

  33. Ragspierre says:

    “And $47 million is almost half of the pace suggested. It’s a pretty good number for an incumbent President, but comes just a little shy of George W. Bush’s 2003 Q3 figure of $49.5 million. But if Obama ends up maintaining this pace through the next three quarters, he will have raised just under $200 million in time for the general election — not a piddling amount by any means, but not the kind of fundraising that most people believed we would see from Obama, either. At that point, Obama would have to raise $200 million a quarter to surpass his fundraising total of 2008, and closer to $270 million per quarter to hit the $1 billion mark.”
    Huh. Maybe that whole basket of crap was over-valued…???
    Obama made it worse.

  34. Terry says:

    Sorry grandpa but voting gaps in special elections tend not to mean so much. It’s mostly old timers like you who have a lot of free time on their hands that show up. I bet you go to the bank at the beginning of the month to check your interest too.

  35. USA American says:

    “You just showed your ass…again…UAssMORON.
    You broke and ran, frothing ad hominem.”
    LOL!
    So says the Enlightened Borg Collectivist. The Walking Fallacy. He Who Does Not Understand Causation. He Who Cannot Put Together An If-Then Statement.
    So many possibilities for your intellectual legacy.

  36. Ragspierre says:

    Why does Terry gay-bash all the time…???
    Why does he accuse a father of five of being “gay”.
    Why does Terry spout so much homophobia…???
    Makes you wonder, huh?

  37. USA American says:

    “Huh. Maybe that whole basket of crap was over-valued…???”
    Haha, I love your practice of not linking to the blogs you rely on in support of your “arguments.”
    How’s your primary coming along?

  38. USA American says:

    Ah, constant perceived victim-hood – the hallmark of the Borg Collective.

  39. Terry says:

    I didn’t make Marcus gay, Jesus did. Ted Haggard has 5 kids too btw. Now go get some fiber and stop playing on the Internet.

  40. Ragspierre says:

    I didn’t make any “arguments”, moron.
    I stated facts. Refute them, if you can.
    Obama seems CLEARLY to be a discounted commodity.
    Or, perhaps, a discounted oddity.
    Americans know him now, and won’t be fooled again.
    Americans know Obama made it worse.

  41. USA American says:

    “I didn’t make any “arguments”, moron.
    I stated facts. Refute them, if you can.”
    Well, I didn’t say that you made a COMPETENT argument. You state opinions you claim to be fact – always without any verifiable supporting material. All good Enlightened “trial lawyers” do this.
    “Obama seems CLEARLY to be a discounted commodity.
    Or, perhaps, a discounted oddity.”
    Ooooh, all Enlightened “trial lawyers” understand that when you put emphasis on the word “clearly,” the reader will be very impressed by the argument. How does something “seem” to “clearly” be something?
    “Americans know him now, and won’t be fooled again.
    Americans know Obama made it worse.”
    Haha. Oh those pesky facts. It’s ok, 1L, we know that when Obama wins reelection over Michelle Bachmann and her totally straight husband, you’ll be able to point to the blacks, college students, gays, illegal aliens, and unmarried women who stole your country from Real Americans like you.

  42. Ragspierre says:

    But Hahn’s victory was far from impressive, given an 18-point Democratic registration edge in the 36th Congressional District, which runs from the famous Venice boardwalk through the beach communities south of Los Angeles International Airport.
    Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/12/3765658/democrat-takes-early-lead-in-calif.html#ixzz1RzlWmALO
    How must it feel to be such a punk-ass, Terry? Always wrong, and always liking it?

  43. USA American says:

    Meanwhile this is what the freak show in the House is up to – job creation!! http://www.democraticleader.gov/blog/?p=4228
    The party of children is certain to beat the Kenyan this time!!

  44. Ragspierre says:

    UAssMORON…you could just save us all the annoyance…and you the embarrassment of drafting MORE stupid ad hominem.
    Just write “I hate Ragspierre for punking me out” a few times.
    You could cut and paste, and it would at least be the truth.

  45. USA American says:

    Hahn lost by a margin that the Borg Collective isn’t impressed with!! Victory for the Borg Collective!!
    If Obama didn’t get all those votes from non-Real Americans, he totally would have lost in 2008!!!

  46. Ragspierre says:

    Hahn WON by a margin that didn’t impress the Sacramento Bee, moron.
    That is…she WON.
    What a frothing, lying, evil crone…!!!

  47. USA American says:

    “Just write “I hate Ragspierre for punking me out” a few times.”
    Yes, your continuing inability to make and/or support a rational, verifiable argument for anything you supposedly stand for, is MY PROBLEM. I do congratulate you for repeatedly pissing yourself and calling it rain.
    How’s your primary coming along? Which of your candidates is going to beat Obama, and what is his/her path to victory?
    “You could cut and paste, and it would at least be the truth.”
    You could actually, you know, learn how to draw conclusions based on verifiable fact, learn the concept of an if-then statement, read up on the concept of causation, put away your fallacy generator, and act like a grown up.
    But you are intellectually bereft. So you’re the best we’re stuck with to point and laugh at.

  48. USA American says:

    “ahn WON by a margin that didn’t impress the Sacramento Bee, moron.
    That is…she WON.
    What a frothing, lying, evil crone…!!!”
    Yawn. The Sacramento Bee. Wowzers. It’s nice that in your world, continuing to lose counts as a win because the margins don’t impress you.
    How’s your primary coming along?

  49. USA American says:

    How come the fake Dems in Wisconsin didn’t beat the real Dems? I thought that the WI GOPers were just doing what the voters told them to do.

  50. Ragspierre says:

    “Yawn. The Sacramento Bee. Wowzers.”
    Yeah, you can snort at the political paper of record for California. Headquarters for the Moonbat left and Gov. Moonbeam.
    It wasn’t Toilet Paper Mau-maus or the Daily Worker, so…meah…not ideologically pure enough.
    What a pathetic, evil, lying old crone.

  51. Huey says:

    Gary: The Government has always been our enemy.
    We used to know this.
    Our country was founded on this truth, a truth clearly enshrined in our Constitution, the reasons for which spelled out clearly in the Federalist Papers.
    By its very nature, Government limits freedom. At its best, Government is a necessary evil; at its worst, it’s necessarily evil.
    The only hope for this nation is to elect a President (and enough legislators) who have a “servant’s heart,” where who is served is the people rather than the self, and the people are served only insomuch as the Constitution (as originally intended) allows.
    And, even then, it might be too little, too late.

  52. USA American says:

    Why is the GOP front-runner, Mittens, distancing himself from the bad-sh*t crazy that is the Iowa GOP? http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/romney-campaign-slams-undignified-and-inappropriate-marriage-pledge-from-iowa-group.php?ref=fpb

  53. Ragspierre says:

    But the business community, which has largely kept quiet on the issue until now, does not uniformly share the Republican orthodoxy on taxes, according to some lobbyists who helped craft the statement.
    [OHH....That's how "this be"...!!! Lobbyists...which are at an all-time high in the Obamabanana fascist Republic...are behind it. Dur.]
    The businesses involved in this effort didn’t present a blueprint for a possible debt-reduction plan, and were silent on revenues or cuts-to-savings ratio. The reason is simple: they don’t much care. The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling; how members get to “yes” is irrelevant.
    ["The corporate leaders just want Congress to raise the debt ceiling". Bet that is an outright lie. Let's see if this "reporter" has an axe to grind.]
    In this case, the letter was “signed by hundreds of senior company executives and groups including the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable.”
    So, let’s see. Wall Street wants Republicans to stop screwing around. The business community wants Republicans to stop screwing around. Global investors want Republicans to stop screwing around. The Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department want Republicans to stop screwing around.
    But unhinged and uninformed right-wing activists want Republicans to keep pushing their — and our — luck. As of this morning, the congressional GOP is only listening to the activists.
    [Oh, yeah. That was objective.]
    I love fisking this stupid, evil, lying Collectivist harpy.

  54. USA American says:

    “I love fisking this stupid, evil, lying Collectivist harpy.”
    I love how whenever you piss yourself you call it rain. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are on board. Why?
    How’s that GOP primary going?

  55. Ragspierre says:

    “Mitch McConnell and John Boehner are on board. Why?”
    First, I think that…as usual…you are talking out your butt.
    Second, I don’t know and don’t care.
    Third, your appeal is to lemmings, not free people. Trot off your cliff. I’ll watch.

  56. USA American says:

    “First, I think that…as usual…you are talking out your butt.”
    Riveting.
    “Second, I don’t know and don’t care.”
    What a surprise. You don’t care about what your elected heroes do, say, think, believe, vote for, stand for, etc – as long as you think you get to take a shot at the Kenyan.
    “Third, your appeal is to lemmings, not free people. Trot off your cliff. I’ll watch.”
    Again, riveting. All Enlightened “trial lawyers” know how truly skilled you are. But unfortunately for your Borg Collective, it’s not MY appeal you, Michelle Bachmann, and her totally straight husband have to worry about. It’s The Kenyan and his bag men (Boehner and McConnell) who matter. And they continue to make chumps of you.

  57. Ragspierre says:

    “You don’t care about what your elected heroes do, say, think, believe, vote for, stand for, etc.”
    So obvious a lie…which you immediately contradict, btw…I wonder why you bother to tell it.
    “As of this morning, the congressional GOP is only listening to the activists.” From your Pravda lite cite, above.
    Actually, as of this morning, conservatives are listening to the majority of Americans and their constituents.
    I know you just HATE that.
    This is what democracy looks like.
    Obama made it worse.

  58. USA American says:

    Oh, and the comedy stylings of the American Idiots keep rolling in: http://stlactivisthub.blogspot.com/2011/07/initial-thoughts-on-gladneymccowanmolen.html
    //Gladney’s testimony was the most damaging to the prosecution’s case. For starters, Gladney appeared in a neck brace, which brought back memories of him showing up at a tea party rally in a wheel chair despite the fact that he was running around with no obvious discomfort immediately after the altercation took place. The defense lawyer said that Gladney’s neck brace, which he was wearing because of surgery for a herniated disc, had nothing to do with the altercation, and Gladney did not challenge him on that point, so I assume it’s true. But this opened up a criticism from the defense lawyer who asked Gladney why he showed up at the tea party rally in a wheelchair. Gladney said, basically, that it was hot and he was on medication and “they didn’t have folding chairs or lawn chairs.”//
    Haha, just another lying, grifting, Teabilly parasite who can’t get a real job.
    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_972c5eb0-accb-11e0-8614-001a4bcf6878.html
    “Not guilty.”
    Too stupid to live.

  59. USA American says:

    “So obvious a lie…which you immediately contradict, btw…I wonder why you bother to tell it.”
    Lying, evil Borg Collectivist, harpy!! You said: “I don’t know and don’t care.” Learn the difference between a contradiction and a qualification. Maybe in your 6th year at Online Legal Studies University they’ll cover that!
    “Actually, as of this morning, conservatives are listening to the majority of Americans and their constituents.”
    Really? By giving Obama exactly what he wants when it actually matters? Nice. Over and over again?

  60. Ragspierre says:

    Today, the House held a second hearing on the rogue board of Medicare spending czars created by Obamacare. This mother of all death panels is known as the Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). My column looks at growing Democrat opposition to the entity, which would have unprecedented authority over health care spending. Seven Dems are co-sponsors of a House IPAB repeal bill.
    Huh…?
    Obama made it so much worse, his myrmidons are showing some survival instinct.
    Have you noticed that more and more Americans “can’t get a real job”?
    Obama’s grade…9.3.
    Wow…America is noticing.

  61. USA American says:

    “Have you noticed that more and more Americans “can’t get a real job”?”
    But the GOP tells me it’s because more and more Americans are lazy. Have you noticed that the recovery was sputtering along nicely despite GOP efforts to the contrary, UNTIL the GOP took control of the House this year? Now that the GOP actually has control of government we see what happens. To be fair, we see it every time the GOP has control. But that never stops the Borg Collective from lying about it.

  62. Ragspierre says:

    “But the GOP tells me it’s because more and more Americans are lazy.”
    Liar.
    Really, just go shoot yourself, you poor, miserable twisted thing.

  63. USA American says:

    “Liar.”
    Just a few quotes:
    “…we have put in so much entitlement into our government that we really have spoiled our citizenry and said you don’t want the jobs that are available.” – Republican Senate candidate Sharron Angle
    Unemployment makes people not want to work:
    “…if anything, continuing to pay people unemployment compensation is a disincentive for them to seek new work.” – Republican Senator John Kyl
    “We shouldn’t turn the ‘safety net’ into a hammock. It should actually be a ‘safety net.'” – Republican Rep. Steve King
    Republican Rep. Dean Heller said the current economic downturn and policies may bring back the hobos of the Great Depression – people who wandered the country taking odd jobs… “I believe there should be a federal safety net,” but he questioned the wisdom of extending unemployment benefits yet again to a total of 24 months, which Congress is doing. “Is the government now creating hobos?” he asked. -Elko Daily Free Press
    “We should not be giving be giving cash to people who… who basically are just going to blow it on drugs.” – Republican Senator Orrin Hatch
    “My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You’re facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don’t think too much further than that. And so what you’ve got to do is you’ve got to curtail that type of behavior. They don’t know any better.” -Republican Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer South Carolina
    “Really, just go shoot yourself, you poor, miserable twisted thing.”
    If you are son concerned about the unemployed, how about pushing YOUR OWN party to do something about it. Oh right, you revel in higher unemployemnt numbers because you think such will hurt the Kenyan.

  64. Terry says:

    You sound like one angry old coot, gramps. Repeating some silly phrase that you read on Willard’s flip-floppy website is pretty pathetic. Go put your teeth in and try to be productive – maybe you won’t be so angry.
    Have a blessed day.

  65. Ragspierre says:

    Wow, UAssMORON has her mid-morning psychotic break…
    Incentivizing behavior unquestionably TENDS to get more of it.
    Nobody with a brain would challenge that (so, I’m sure UAssMORON will).
    Saying it is not a good idea to provide incentives that even MIGHT promote more unemployment is not saying people are lazy.
    And, of course, being the liar she is, UAssMORON claims that “the GOP tells her…” when a few people SHE asserts are THE GOP (some of whom are taken out of context…another lie) say stuff I bet many Deemocrats have said, too.
    But, really, as you’ve seen if you read these threads, lying is all the Collectivist trolls here have.

  66. Ragspierre says:

    “He made it worse”–
    Peggy Noonan, former Obama supporter and lead editorial writer.
    Well, her and the rest of America.

  67. USA American says:

    “Wow, UAssMORON has her mid-morning psychotic break…
    “Incentivizing behavior unquestionably TENDS to get more of it. Nobody with a brain would challenge that (so, I’m sure UAssMORON will).”
    I see. So GOPers dont call the unemployed lazy because there ARE jobs, but the unemployed are “incentivized” not to pursue them because of unemployment benefits. At the same time, there are no jobs because Obama made it worse. Got it. Standard Teabilly cognitive dissonance 101.
    “Saying it is not a good idea to provide incentives that even MIGHT promote more unemployment is not saying people are lazy.”
    Maybe. But it does belie YOUR feigned concern about the unemployed. Moreover, GOPers saying that the unemployed are lazy is saying that the unemployed are lazy. That you ignore the same is just symptomatic of your dishonesty and laziness.
    “Peggy Noonan, former Obama supporter and lead editorial writer.”
    The Republican party’s intransigence on taxes renders it a phony political party – David Brooks, current GOP lapdog.

  68. Ragspierre says:

    “Moreover, GOPers saying that the unemployed are lazy is saying that the unemployed are lazy. That you ignore the same is just symptomatic of your dishonesty and laziness.”
    But, see, even that is another of your lies.
    You said, “But the GOP tells me it’s because more and more Americans are lazy.”
    I said, correctly, you are a liar. That statement is a lie.
    There MAY be SOME people in the GOP saying that. The ones you quoted did not. Even the very obscure ones.
    So, as we see, you are just a corrupt, evil, lying crazy harpy.
    Again.

  69. SacTownMan says:

    Rag’s in the future could you please not feed the lingering trolls?
    The daily pissing match between you and the low life’s is getting old!
    Hijacking Dan’s site with non-stop, childish, back and forth’s is a complete waste of everyone’s time.
    And as far as the ORIGINAL topic of Dan’s post the current GOP leadership is living in a time warp. They refuse to confront the current debt crisis from a position of strength by replaying the same old, worn out “good, old boy” tactics that have contributed to the mess we’re in.
    In 2010 the people spoke loud and clear that the “old boy” insider Washington was no longer what was expected. Unfortunately the status quo continues with the inept leadership on both sides of the isle.
    If the GOP rolls over yet again after the mandate that was sent in the last election, 2012 will be a bloodbath for the entrenched beltway neocons!!
    Time to stand up to “seniors won’t get their SS checks after 8/4″ scare tactics from the POS POTUS and take back our Republic!!
    No debt limit increase without a considerable cut in spending, no smoke and mirrors, no promises, and no bullshit!!
    The American public is behind the efforts to control spending and to capitulate now only contributes to more distrust in the inept leadership on both sides.

  70. Ragspierre says:

    Hey, it keeps Dan’s counts high, right?

  71. Ragspierre says:

    http://www.qando.net/wp-content/uploads/US-Aug.-Revenue.jpg
    A neat graphic showing the Obami are lying about a “default” and inability to pay stuff.
    There is no demagoguery they will not stoop to use.

  72. Shirl says:

    And I was just wdoneirng about that too!