Updated: Does Mitt Romney Have A Vietnam War Problem?

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December 15, 2011

Update from his Wiki: So he supported the war but took a student deferment and then a ministerial deferment to work for his church and live in a castle in France, then another student deferment before he received a high draft number. Sorry, but it doesn't exactly impress me that he strongly supported a war he mostly elected to let others fight on his behalf.

Regarding the military draft, Romney had initially gotten a student deferment, then like most other Mormon missionaries had received a ministerial deferment while in France, then got another student deferment.[25][33] When those ran out, his high number in the December 1969 draft lottery (300) meant he would not be selected.

I get it, Romney lived a life of poverty in a castle. But given both his and his Father's strong support for the Vietnam War, what was he doing in France in 1968?

Mr Romney, pictured at left in 1968, told supporters he had experienced austerity using a bucket for a lavatory and a hose for a shower

Romney spent a year at Stanford University as the protest movement against the Vietnam War began to build momentum. Among the long hair and ragged clothes of his classmates, Romney stood out both for his smart appearance and his ardent support of the war. He left California to spend 30 months in France as part of the missionary programme undertaken by most young Mormons. He learned to speak French fluently and traveled widely across the country but made few converts. Romney was in France for the 1968 student revolts but maintained his support for the war and remained culturally conservative.

Well, he did fight with a Vietnam veteran recently. Hmm.

“I went and I fought for my country. I did my thing,” said Garon, who served in the Army in the mid-1960s. “I think my spouse should be entitled to the same entitlements that [I’d have] if I was married to a woman. What the hell is the difference?”



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Comments:
  1. Life was tough at the castle- he had to poop in a bucket!

  2. Ragspierre says:

    Dan, the whole “live in a castle thing” reeks of demagoguery.
    You can do better by just sticking with the facts.

  3. Dan Riehl says:

    You missed the point. Mitt cited his time in Europe as living an impoverished existence. Some might think that living in what later became an embassy and having a cook and house maid ain’t exactly poverty.

  4. sickofrinos says:

    Mittens- The John Kerry who did’nt serve.

  5. Ragspierre says:

    “Some might think that living in what later became an embassy and having a cook and house maid ain’t exactly poverty.”
    Try it. Under the same circumstances, which you just THINK maybe you understand.
    Point is, your “castle” stuff detracts from whatever valid point you raise.

  6. Xiaoding says:

    Yeah!! It was just ONE maid, and ONE cook, for a whole freakin’ castle! That’s POVERTY!
    On a side note, it seems that cowardice is indeed present in some Mormons.

  7. Ragspierre says:

    Like stupid is present in some dingys. Dingy.

  8. Ztickie says:

    Shut up, Ragspierre.
    Dan, this was a great post, and I see your point. I don’t even blame anyone for having reservations with LBJ’s war, but to claim to be a supporter and then be off in a castle in France?

  9. Ragspierre says:

    Wonderful, devastating argument, there, ticky.
    Golly, am I ever put in my place…!!!
    “Shut up”, he explained. Where HAVE I heard that before…!?!?

  10. Eric S says:

    He doesn’t have a Vietnam problem. He’s got a too liberal problem! The danger is his self-admitted ‘mildly’ progressive / moderate / non-Reaganite / non-partisan views will win out. That, believe it or not, he is telling the truth, giving an unwanted twist on Obamacare and possible Souter-like judges. Esp. since his abortion flips brightly show that his ‘word’ is not to be taken literally, my worry:
    MA Mitt will be a John Anderson (LIBERAL) style president

  11. Ragspierre says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q
    That is an EXCELLENT Bill Whittle “Guide To Voters” on what a Republican (Conservative) is.

  12. Ragspierre says:

    “Wages Must Fall!”: What All Good Keynesians Should Say
    http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2011/12/wages_must_fall.html
    Heh.
    Collectivist heads explode in 3…2…

  13. Ragspierre says:

    Gertz, an officer in the Corp of Flying Monkeys, has a story at Media Matters going after Bryan Preston and me for reporting on Holder’s sop to disaffected civil rights activists.
    ***See, his Justice Department has filed only one Section 2 case to protect racial minorities since the inauguration, and I brought it. Making matters worse for their spin, the Bush DOJ approved the start of the case.***
    Lefties like Barbara Arnwine are furious, and not just at the Prince Georges Police Department who raided her house and seized burglary implements that may be owned by people living there (of course without the knowledge of Arnwine, of course). They are mad at Holder for inactivity when compared to Bush voting rights enforcement.
    Brock never talks about their fury because the drones won’t want to hear it. They might turn on their own, including the Flying Monkey Corp. (rhymes with “core”).
    Soros Flying Monkey Gertz claimed it was false to say “Holder Announced DOJ Would Oppose Electoral Integrity Measure[s].” Guess it depends on what the definition of “oppose is.” Read the Holder remarks and you decide his views on Voter ID. Also ask why no case has been brought by this DOJ to enforce Section 8 of Motor Voter to clean up voter rolls in states and counties with more voters than living citizens.
    –J. Christian Adams
    Funny, here was I thinking the Holder DOJ could not POSSIBLY be more corrupt.
    Just goes to show…
    They can always make it worse.

  14. sickofrinos says:

    Good piece in the wash. times about the corrupt pair of ofungus and holder. Round zem up!!

  15. Ragspierre says:

    “To review: The UK police and the US DOJ, Criminal Division, are pursuing a leaker of public records subject to one or more FOIA, records that were unlawfully withheld under those laws, which leaks indicate apparent civil violations (tortious interference by seeking dismissal of certain “skeptics”), and raising reasonable questions of fraud against taxpayers.
    And they are pursuing the leaker.”
    –Christopher C. Horner
    Well, hell. That Eric Holder really has HIS priorities straight.
    Heckuva job, Barry.

  16. Ragspierre says:

    Basically, an increase in government spending (whether financed by taxes or by borrowing) reduces economic growth. This is consistent with a paper from a few years ago by Harvard Business School’s Lauren Cohen, Joshua Coval, and Christopher Malloy. To their surprise, those authors found that federal spending in states caused local businesses to cut back rather than grow.
    –Veronique de Rugy
    Golly. Who’da thunk THAT…?!?!?
    (People who understand economics.)

  17. jane says:

    Sometimes I wonder if those who get their panties in a twist about someone getting a student deferment during Vietnam actually were of the age to be drafted then. A student deferment was at one point pretty routine as were ministerial/missionary/being married w. kids ones. It’s easy now to play Monday quarterback now and criticize those who did nothing wrong by the standards of that time.

  18. Xiaoding says:

    “It’s easy now to play Monday quarterback now and criticize those who did nothing wrong by the standards of that time.”
    How old are you? do you actually KNOW anything about the standards of the time?

  19. jane says:

    I’m old enough to have friends who were drafted – how old are you? Do YOU know anything about the time period?

  20. Xiaoding says:

    Having grown up thru it, yes.
    How cavalier you seem, as to the lives of the working class. Those who could not so easily get a deferment.. Gosh, what did those people do? I find your comment repellent, in such a smug, upper class way. Good gosh, why WOULD anyone get upset that someone used his connections and class, to dodge the draft?
    People who had to go, that’s who. People without connections, who can’t afford the “college”. But hey, that’s just my panties talking.

  21. Drago says:

    xioding, not to be argumentative or anything, but have you served or are you currently serving?
    Again, this is not to be provocative. You sound very passionate on this issue.
    Of course, I would love for you to maybe toss in a comment or two along the same lines about our current VP, if for no other reason than consistency…..

  22. Ragspierre says:

    As a Vietnam era vet, let me disabuse dingy…yet again…of his cherished BS.
    MOST people who served during Vietnam were VOLUNTEERS.
    You didn’t need “connections”, dummy. All you needed was to be enrolled in college for a student deferment.
    If you were scared of being a ground-pounder, there was the Air Force, Coast Guard, and Navy.
    And, remarkably, the idea it was a “class or race” fought was is ALSO BS.
    Way to swallow the crap of the Collective, dingy.

  23. eaglewingz08 says:

    Maybe Mittens met Bill Clinton who was supporting the Vietnam War from the safety of Oxford University. Bill may not have learned to speak French during his missionary position days at Oxford but did learn to give and receive French customs. Since Ron Paul is raking Newt over the coals of Vietnam service, I expect his anti Romney commercials to be out in 3..2..1.

  24. Olivia says:

    This is a great article, and a great topic to explore. Thanks for sharing.