As Media Reports Conflict, Why Was Trayvon Martin Photo Altered?

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March 24, 2012

Among a few interesting items uncovered in trying to examine the facts behind the shooting of Florida teenager Trayvon Martin without drawing any conclusions, was that a widely viewed photograph of Martin appears to have been altered, somewhat.

Here is what appears to be the original via the Miami Herald.

Tm original

The one below has been observed in the media and at forums such as Democracy Now. Clearly, it has been lightened, or softened, somehow. Along with other possible alterations, he looks far more, perhaps innocent is the right word, in the altered image. For the record, that has nothing to do with the guilt, or innocence, of anyone involved, but more to do with the reporting of the story, which is why I'm bringing it up.

Trayvon-Martin_hoodie 1

Also, in following up on this item at the Charlelston Examiner, it's becoming increasingly difficult to know what the facts actually are.

The witness reports that George Zimmerman was on the ground and Trayvon is on top of him punching him. The witness says that George Zimmerman was screaming and yelling for help. Police arrive and find Zimmerman bleeding on his face and the back of his head. He also has had grass stains on his back. All this confirms the story told by Zimmerman and the witness. Police play the 911 tape for Trayvon Martin's father, who tells police that the voice screaming is not the voice of his son. Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin.

The media also characterizes Trayvon as a "model student." In fact, he under a five day suspension when the shooting took place. That is why he was staying at a house so far from his school on a school night. A laywer for Trayvon's family has blocked access to his school records. However, you have to do something pretty bad to get suspended for five days.

A local news video report supports much of the above. It claims prosecutors advised police they did not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction. Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him, while Martin's Father said the voice heard calling for help was not his son, Trayvon Martin. If accurate, it would have been Zimmerman calling for help. The reports claims police also said Zimmerman's account was corroborated by witnesses.

Also, according to media reports, Martin was suspended for ten days, not five, for being in an unauthorized area on school property, not a violent behavioral issue, as the Miami Herald indicates he did have behavior problems of some non-violent type. Still, an Orlando Sentinel story quotes a teacher as saying he was suspended for being tardy and had no behavior issues.

Still, Trayvon had nonviolent behavioral issues in school, and on the day he was killed, he had been suspended for 10 days from Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School in North Miami-Dade. “He was not suspended for something dealing with violence or anything like that. It wasn’t a crime he committed, but he was in an unauthorized area [on school property],” Martin said, declining to offer more details. Before that, Trayvon attended Miami Carol City High School near his mother’s home in Miami Gardens.

He was visiting in an area 250 miles away from home with his Father at the time.

He would be 17 for 21 days. He died Feb. 26, a bullet in his chest, shot by a neighborhood crime watch captain patrolling a suburban gated townhouse community in Sanford, 250 miles from his home, where he had gone with his father after a school suspension.

While certain facts may remain in doubt, or disputed, what's increasingly clear is that by climbing over one another to get the story, mainstream media journalists appear to be adding more confusion, than clarity, to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. However, that did not stop Barack Obama from weighing in, claiming if he had a son, it would look like Trayvon Martin. That may depend on what photo of him he's seen, of course.



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Comments:
  1. SunnySam says:

    The Justice Dept. will no doubt intervene to obscure with a nonexistent racial element. It is after all their forte.

    • Lilme says:

      Trayvon pictures might depict him as a smiling child… But, look at the eyes of the Youth wearing the hood… He was now using DRUGS and headed in all the wrong directions……. It appears to foolishly have become a racial issue…It is an issue of people using DRUGS, and behaving badly, disrespectfully, even to adults and authority………. He was killed because he had become a drug altered Youth, an angry, disrespectful and aggressive person, behaving BADLY…. What we need to get from all this……. is a concern and a desire to abolish drugs, teach our children respect, maybe even have a curfew…… In days of yore, music would chime at 10Pm on TV, and say: “Do you know where your children are?” 9 and 10 PM is plenty late enough for children.
      I don’t use drugs, and, I don’t carry knives and guns……. If a Security Officer ever stopped me for any reason, I’d stop, explain, listen…… and never raise a hand….. nor hit Mr. Zimmerman in the back of his head, as this Trayvon did.

      Actors, President Obama, etc…….. have all foolishly and unfairly “spoken” about Saint Trayvon…without stating the facts. Trayvon used DRUGS, and was disrespectful to a Security Officer, and HIT Mr. Zimmerman on the back of his head……. WHO should have prevailed in that situation, and who should have died?
      Had Trayvon not died……. who would have died at his hand?
      While I feel sad that anyone has died, anyone using drugs and being aggressive and disrespectful… MUST come to an end.

  2. John says:

    What you are calling the original appears to actually be a close-up, poor quality version of the one you claim to be Photoshopped. It’s no surprise that a low-resolution close-up would be darker than the original. Trying to find conspiracies where none exist is a waste of time.

  3. Ragspierre says:

    What POSSIBLE reason would people have to try to shape perceptions here…???
    Hmmm…???
    Possibly…???

  4. Dan Riehl says:

    You need a monitor with better resolution, John. Don’t just look at the face, look at the black below and to the right of his chin. The contrast is so high, it’s all but painted in in the 2nd image. You don’t get that with a photograph.

  5. jharp says:

    What part of Zimmerman had no business going after him do you dumb fuckers not get?
    And nor did he have any business carrying a gun.
    Trayvon paid for Zimmerman’s stupidity with his life. And now we will soon see the price Zimmerman himself will pay.
    I am guessing Zimmerman is not having a good time as of late. And it is for no other reason that his being stupid enough to carry a gun.

  6. Dave says:

    The look on his eyes were clearly altered..he has a more sad-eyed look in him in the altered photos.

  7. Y-not says:

    I don’t contest that there’s a lot of news framing going on by the media. However, I think there are legitimate reasons for the second photo’s enhancement.
    The upper photo is noisy and low contrast. It also makes the subject seem more menacing because it is cropped in such a way as to make him fill the entire frame.
    The lower photo, has had noise filtered out and the contrast enhanced. It also shows more of the field of view, which makes it clearer (to me) that he was leaning forward. So there’s more context. (Was this an ATM photo or something?) To me it is a better quality image which is reason enough to use it.
    I don’t think either is the “original” per se, since the top photo has been cropped. They both came from a third version. (I have an image processing work background.)

  8. Drago says:

    jharp: “What part of Zimmerman had no business going after him do you dumb fuckers not get?”
    Has this been established? Was a Neighborhood Watch program in effect? Was Zimmerman a member of the Neighborhood Watch program?
    jharp continues: “And nor did he have any business carrying a gun.”
    Has this been established? Did Zimmerman have a carry permit?
    jharp continues: “Trayvon paid for Zimmerman’s stupidity with his life.”
    Did “Trayvon” attack Zimmerman? Why do eyewitness accounts report that Trayvon, a 6’2″ football player (not a little guy) was on top of zimmerman and pummeling him while Zimmerman was calling for help?
    jharp, is your new and improved lefty rule that anyone who is approached and questioned by anyone else can attack them? What would that do to Michael Moore’s “investigative” tactics?
    So, let’s sum up shall we.
    The left, as evidenced by jharp, is already to pronounce Zimmerman (an hispanic with black family members) as “racist” and “guilty”.
    So, like Tawana Brawley and the Duke Lacrosse team examples (as if we needed anymore), the left once again demonstrates that all of their talk of “we shouldn’t rush to judgement” and “let the process take it’s course” and “innocent until proven guilty” is utter BS.
    But we already knew this.
    Once again it needs to be stated:
    The left doesn’t actually believe a single thing that they lecture the rest of us about.

  9. Drago says:

    jharp: “And it is for no other reason that his being stupid enough to carry a gun.”
    If Zimmerman was not carrying a gun, would he be in the hospital right now after being beaten by Trayvon?
    How much of a beating is Zimmerman supposed to have taken prior to using force?
    Did you know that Trayvon’s own father is reported to have heard someone calling for help and that he (Trayvon’s father) knew that it was not his sons voice?
    What does that tell us?
    Did Trayvon “innocently” start beating on Zimmerman?
    Meanwhile, the case of the black kids setting the white kid on fire simply for being white continues to receive zero media coverage and zero outrage from the likes of jharp and his pals.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-5385818-504083.html
    BTW, when you read the article, you can’t help but note that the lame streamers once again refuse to identify the race of the 5 attackers.
    Of course, we all know why that is.
    Given jharps and the lefts absolute silence on this case and their “rapid reaction of maximum outrage” on the zimmerman case, we can only surmise that jharp and his pals actually approve of the actions of those individuals who set the young white boy on fire.

  10. Ragspierre says:

    “The left doesn’t actually believe a single thing that they lecture the rest of us about.”
    Which should be honored as “Drago’s First Law” by one and all.
    I’ve carried a gun any time I chose to my entire (pretty long) life.
    I’ve never shot anyone.
    I’ve never pulled a gun on anyone.
    But I damn sure wanted to have the option if one of my kids was threatened, or my wife or myself.
    I wonder if old jharpo is one of those lying Collectivists who want gun bans…right after they buy all they want for themselves?
    Here’s a funny truth…
    Volts are so unmarketable, they’ve stopped production.
    Ruger has announce they cannot keep up with orders for their firearms.
    Vox populi…

  11. I got you linked on this: “Witness Says Trayvon Martin Attacked George Zimmerman.”
    http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/witness-says-trayvon-martin-attacked.html
    Check the video at the link…

  12. the relevant analysis says:

    Even if Martin was beating him, Zimmerman’s 911 call sounds like Zimmerman is following Martin and initiates the confrontation. This isn’t an issue of Florida’s “stand your ground law” this is an issue of self defense in general. One cannot start a fight and then claim self defense. There is a lot we don’t know, and may never know, but if the facts show that Zimmerman started the confrontation, then he does not have the same right to self defense as if he had been attacked out of nowhere. In fact, if Zimmerman comes up to Martin and shows the gun, Martin may have been the one acting in self defense if he then jumped on Zimmerman. The point is that you have a right to self defense to “defend” yourself, not to instigate.
    That is the issue that is determinative, not skittles or hoodies or misinformed “community activists.”

  13. Everyone knows the blacks are out of control, and it is no political accident that this is the case.
    The “left” as we call it needs blacks, women, everyone and anyone of color, gender, and/or sexual
    orientation to be insane with resentment against the evil white christian males, even to the extent that the evil objects of hatred don’t have to be white, christian, or male, as long as they represent the normal as opposed to the criminal and crazy.

  14. trax says:

    The photo was altered using a “beautify skin” feature in an image editing program. Adobe and Ulead programs have this feature.

  15. Ragspierre says:

    “One cannot start a fight and then claim self defense.”
    Actually, one can.
    IF you are the victim, and your assailant stops “assailing”, you can become the assailant if you keep going.

  16. jewelbomb says:

    You’re really going to claim that lightening the picture (i.e., using a high res version rather than a cropped low res copy) makes him seem more innocent. Careful, your racism is showing!
    You people are seriously sick.

  17. repsac3 says:

    Doesn’t the timeline have Trayvon on the phone with a 16 year old girl and (according to the girl, anyway) trying to AVOID Zimmerman when he is confronted?
    And under FL law, wouldn’t Trayvon have the right to stand his ground / defend himself against this stranger who was following him around the neighborhood and more than likely confronted him on a dark rainy street, even though he didn’t have a gun like Mr. Zimmerman did? If a stranger grabs you (or knocks your phone out of your hand, or otherwise lays hands on you or your personal property), are you not allowed to strike him to defend yourself (or is it only self-defense if your response is to fire your gun)?
    Even assuming “John’s” witness testimony is entirely accurate, there is no doubt that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon, and likely initiated both the verbal and physical contact between them. That the man Zimmerman was following bested him in the struggle–a struggle that may’ve been the result of Trayvon defending himself against the creepy guy following him, rather than the other way ’round–is not proof of who initiated what or whether the shot that killed Trayvon Martin was justified. If Mr Zimmerman had let the police do their job the way the 911 dispatcher told him to, the confrontation–and the gunshot that killed Trayvon–never would’ve taken place. It remains to be seen whether common sense has any place in FL law.

  18. Ragspierre says:

    “You people are seriously sick.”
    Apply the “turn-around test”.
    What if news organizations or bloggers altered pictures to make Mr. Martin look MORE menacing?
    The OBVIOUS point being, why did anyone find it useful to alter the picture?
    Perhaps to comport with the meme that this was an innocent “child”.
    Just a thought experiment.
    For those capable of thought.

  19. jewelbomb says:

    “What if news organizations or bloggers altered pictures to make Mr. Martin look MORE menacing?”
    The picture wasn’t altered by the media, numskull. One version was taken from a low res copy from a protester’s sign while the other was the original high res version.

  20. Ragspierre says:

    Posted by: repsac3 | Saturday, March 24, 2012 at 04:06 PM
    See if you can count the unsupported (by facts) suppositions you are willing to make in that post.
    Mr. Zimmerman deserves…as do Mr. Martin’s survivors…better.

  21. jewelbomb says:

    “Perhaps to comport with the meme that this was an innocent ‘child’.”
    His innocence isn’t a meme. It’s a fact. At least until you can point to a Florida statute that says carrying skittles while black counts as criminal activity.

  22. Ragspierre says:

    “The picture wasn’t altered by the media, numskull.”
    Huh.
    Support?

  23. Ragspierre says:

    “His innocence isn’t a meme. It’s a fact.”
    “Innocence” apparently is a tough concept for you.
    We have no idea of Mr. Martin’s nature, really, do we?
    Now, in the law, there is one…and only one…”innocent” person involved, and that is the man you are happy to lynch on your faith in the media accounts.

  24. Dave says:

    “His innocence isn’t a meme. It’s a fact. At least until you can point to a Florida statute that says carrying skittles while black counts as criminal activity.”
    An innocent child that was attacking and beating up someone else. This somehow continues to be conveniently forgotten by those pounding the “innocence” meme.

  25. jewelbomb says:

    “Support?”
    It’s from the initial link: “A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City on March 21, 2012. MARIO TAMA / GETTY IMAGES”
    Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708960/trayvon-martin-a-typical-teen.html#storylink=cpy

  26. Ragspierre says:

    Yeah. Read the caption.
    That does not support this…
    “One version was taken from a low res copy from a protester’s sign while the other was the original high res version.”
    So… One more chance…

  27. Ragspierre says:

    “An innocent child that was attacking and beating up someone else.”
    We don’t know that, either, Dave.

  28. pixelpusher says:

    Yep, he was under suspension. Clear reason to shoot the little miscreant. Thanks for clearing that up, Dave. Nice reporting and analysis.

  29. Ragspierre says:

    At Twitchy, “Spike Lee retweets George Zimmerman’s address.”
    And the now-deleted tweet from @Simply_Reiona:
    “Ima get a group of niggas to KILL George Zimmerman ( the fat ass racist ass white man who killed Trayvon Martin ) ! He deserves to DIE !!!!— Couldnt Care Less (@Simply_Reiona) March 24, 2012”
    Everybody needs to back the FLUCK off and let this be.

  30. JH says:

    Pictures of Zimmerman have also been altered as time progresses.
    They have been lightened.
    http://tinypic.com/r/24fh8xu/5

  31. jewelbomb says:

    “Yeah. Read the caption.That does not support this…”
    The caption under the photo identifies it as one that was used on signs and banners carried by protesters. Thus the caption most certainly supports the initial claim. Are you really going to pretend to not understand that copies of copies tended to degrade in quality? Right…it’s far more likely a dastardly plot by the socialists in the MSM. Jesus, I never cease to be amazed at the lengths you fools will go to in order to support your half-baked conspiracy theories.

  32. JF says:

    If only Trayvon Martin had been carrying a gun, he could have defended himself.

  33. Greg says:

    The Spike Lee retweet is interesting. He’s happy to promote violence but, apparently, doesn’t have the nerve to do it himself. If anything happens to Zimmerman, he’s going to need a good lawyer.

  34. jewelbomb says:

    “We have no idea of Mr. Martin’s nature, really, do we?”
    What on earth does the kid’s nature (whatever that means) have to do with anything? Even if he was a grade-A asshole, that doesn’t give anyone the right to shoot him for walking around.
    “Now, in the law, there is one…and only one…”innocent” person involved, and that is the man you are happy to lynch on your faith in the media accounts.”
    Yet you’re more than happy to find Zimmerman innocent based on the same media accounts. Further, I don’t want to see the dude lynched. I do think he should have been taken in, formally questioned, and his alleged wounds and grass-stains should have been photographed and taken into account in an investigation. Look. If you shoot someone, regardless of the circumstances, it’s pretty clear that the police have a responsibility to conduct a thorough investigation.

  35. omgcoulditbe says:

    Light or dark does it matter. As a mother you as for a healthy child not a light or dark child. Why would anyone accomplish by changing the color of the photo?… I’ve heard that we live in a colorblind country. Some of you sound like your doubting that. It actually sounds as though your perception of someone could be determined based solely on someone appearance…that could be,could it?

  36. Marie Dell says:

    You are a nutcase, Riehl

  37. Ragspierre says:

    “Yet you’re more than happy to find Zimmerman innocent based on the same media accounts.”
    No, dear. The Constitution does that.

  38. Ragspierre says:

    Posted by: jewelbomb | Saturday, March 24, 2012 at 06:27 PM
    Shorter jewelbomb: I got nutin’

  39. jewelbomb says:

    “No, dear. The Constitution does that.”
    Erm, remind me what part of the Constitution allows for armed vigilantes to hunt down kids walking home from the store you mouth-breathing creep.
    Further, you do realize that, unless you witnessed the event yourself, everything you know about the case comes from a media account. Derp.
    “Shorter jewelbomb: I got nutin”
    I’ve got nothing…except convincing and well-reasoned arguments that you refuse to engage with.

  40. Geoff says:

    All I see is Rev. Al Sharpton running his mouth and the Black Panthers making death threats over this Trayvon Martin Case. I just want to know where Al Sharpton is hiding on this one below?
    http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station
    Black teens set white kid on fire just for being ‘white boy’
    articles.nydailynews.com
    A 13-year-old boy who police say was doused with gasoline and lit on fire last week while walking home from school is recovering from first-degree burns to his face and head.

  41. jewelbomb says:

    “I just want to know where Al Sharpton is hiding on this one below?”
    Yeah, news flash: horrible stuff happens all the time. The reason the case you cite isn’t bigger news is because police are actively investigating the case and you can bet that once the perpetrators are caught they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law rather than be allowed to go free as Mr. Zimmerman was. While both cases are horrific, the Martin incident is significant because of the way that the police handled it. Does that clarify things goofball?

  42. Budahmon says:

    From what I have read in this tragedy, Zimmerman was returning to his truck when the altercation happened. If this is the case…then it does become stand your ground and is covered by the Florida Law. It does not matter if Zimmerman followed him, it does not matter if they had words….it matters that one individual broke off contact and then was attacked. If this was what happened, then the kid made a bad decision. The back of Zimmerman’s head was bloody and so was his face. The 911 call made by someone, well it’s Zimmerman yelling for help. Witnesses have testified that it was Zimmerman on his back with Martin on top punching him.
    So, Zimmerman approached a strange individual in the neighborhood, a neighborhood with a relatively high crime rate, and asked him what he was doing. That sure is not a crime! I do it every day in my inner city neighborhood. I have words with punks every so often, but most times they are not punks but just kids and they are respectful. They know why I am asking. They know the reasons even if they are punks.

  43. Ragspierre says:

    “Erm, remind me what part of the Constitution allows for armed vigilantes to hunt down kids walking home from the store you mouth-breathing creep.”
    Let’s be clear, you lying bitch…
    You made several claims about the photos you CANNOT support.
    That makes you…
    1. a stupid buffoon OR
    2. a liar
    There is no middle ground.
    “Further, you do realize that, unless you witnessed the event yourself, everything you know about the case comes from a media account. Derp.”
    La.
    You stupid, lying bitch.
    There are three levels of government investigating the Martin case, and at least four agencies.
    You stupid, lying bitch.
    Now, name the major media outlet that ran the most recent story on the child in St. Louis.
    You stupid, lying bitch.

  44. Mike D says:

    lol. the darker pic is a photograph of a picture on a sign you dumbass

  45. jewelbomb says:

    Lolz. Struck a nerve there Ragspierre?
    I supported my claims by citing the caption that accompanied the first picture you nitwit. Otherwise, I have no idea what you’re going on about or what “three levels of government” or “four agencies” have to do with anything.
    As I said above, the reason the St. Louis indecent isn’t a bigger deal in the media is because the cops are doing their job in that case. It would be news if they knew who committed that crime and then let those guys go like they did with Zimmerman. Derp.
    And I’m still waiting for your citation regarding the part of the Constitution that allows for armed vigilantes to hunt down kids walking home from the store.
    I’ll wait, though perhaps it would be better if you followed your own advice and “back[ed] the FLUCK off and let this be.”
    Kisses!

  46. Ragspierre says:

    “I have no idea what you’re going on about or what “three levels of government” or “four agencies” have to do with anything.”
    Yes.
    You also have no idea of how to be truthful, or give the person you’ve condemned here as a “vigilate” due process of law.
    That would be because you are a stupid, lying bitch.

  47. v says:

    we need to keep track of all the lying lefty loons for future reference…
    srysly, the little pos was dealing drugs thru ‘social media’ (i have copies)
    he was a ‘made’ banger, (DAS) and there have been heavy hints from his homies that he was a violent pos to women …
    oh yes, just a perfect little angel …
    uh huh, right…

  48. jewelbomb says:

    Keep it up goofball, but the fact that you can’t point to a single lie in any of my comments and would rather rant incoherently proves the paucity of your argument. For the record: “Vigilante: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily.” Sounds about right.
    And I still have no idea what “three levels of government” or “four agencies” have to do with anything, though apparently you don’t either given your reticence to clarify.

  49. jewelbomb says:

    “we need to keep track of all the lying lefty loons for future reference”
    How very Third Reich of you!

  50. v says:

    “How very Third Reich of you!”
    how very godwin of you!
    i simply use your own loony, leftist, limpdick, lickspittle, lackawits, loser tactics against you…

  51. Ragspierre says:

    1. You lied about the sequence of the photographs.
    I gave you TWO opportunities to support what you said. You stupid, lying bitch.
    2. You pointed out I have no better knowledge than what I can obtain from the press reports.
    I pointed out I never claimed any knowledge. But you have, you stupid, lying bitch.
    3. You have “summarily” condemned a man without due process.
    If anybody is a KNOWN “vigilante” you are her, you stupid, lying bitch.
    4. You could readily look up my claims as to governments and agencies, or ask me civilly what they are.
    But you are too stupid and bitchy, you stupid, lying bitch.
    Aren’t you?
    So, for your stupid, lying, bitchy self, I will pour information into your crap-fill skull (where it will immediately pour out on the floor).
    Levels of government—
    1. local
    2. state
    3. federal
    Agencies—
    1. Sanford police
    2. Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement
    3. State Attorney
    4. DOJ
    You stupid, lying bitch.

  52. jewelbomb says:

    “how very godwin of you!”
    If the shoe fits…

  53. el polacko says:

    it has nothing to do with whether the shooting was warranted or not…we will have to wait for more information…but the ap photo is obviously photo-shopped: thinner brows, glint in the eyes, skin texture smoothed to the point of being inhuman. along with the other most frequently used pic of the shooting victim as a twelve-year-old these photos are being used to give a false impression. the victim was a 6 foot football player with gold teeth and thug attire at the time of the confrontation, not a blemishless baby.

  54. jjrs says:

    What makes you so sure the Miami Herald one is the “unaltered” one?
    To start with, the Miami Herald one is cropped to zoom in on his face. So obviously the Herald photo was “altered” to zoom in on his face, and the Democracy Now one was from an original source, and not an “altered” version of the Herald one.
    You’ll also notice that his “darkness” in the Herald one is blotchy and inconsistent, and the “darkness” even gets onto his white hoodie. So either he had some horrible skin condition which spread on to his clothing, or the contrast was turned way up on the Herald photo. Whatever the intent, the latter seems more likely.

  55. apodoca says:

    I’m still waiting for Al Sharpton, Spike Lee, and all the rest to do more than talk about violence in the black community. Have they done anything besides candlelight vigils and talk? Have they done even that? We are hearing a lot of noise about Trayvon Martin because the man who killed him is not black. Had Zimmerman been black, mwell, no one, not even Obama, would’ve said a thing. Hey, Obama, if you had a son, he would’ve looked like some of those young men gunned down by other black young men in drives-by, in robberies, in gang bangs, and all the rest. We are heading into a race war, and it is one blacks cannot win because of the numbers. If the Muslims join in, well, there’s our excuse to deport them all.

  56. Ragspierre says:

    (face palm)

  57. jewelbomb says:

    @ Rags…
    1. Erm. No I didn’t
    2. I was merely pointing out that the only information that either of us had comes from the media. Which is, you know, true unless you’re communicating directly with those investigating the case.
    3. I condemned the police for not doing their jobs and investigating the murder and Zimmerman for shooting an unarmed kid. Are you really saying I’m more of a vigilante for making comments on a blog than Zimmerman is for shooting someone. Get real dude.
    4. I never disputed that the case was being investigated by a bunch of agencies. I simply asked what that has to do with anything because I’m not sure why you think that’s relevant. You need to work on your reading comprehension skills before getting involved in arguments which depend on them, homeboy.
    You can keep calling me a “stupid lying bitch” all you want, but until you cite a single lie that I’ve told, I’ll continue to laugh in your face.
    Honestly bro, the tone and incoherence of your argument suggests that you’re feeling a wittle bit gwumpy today. Maybe it’s time for a wittle nap. You’ll likley see how stupid you sound once you’ve gotten some much-need rest and are able to cool down a bit.
    Goofball.

  58. jewelbomb says:

    “the victim was a 6 foot football player with gold teeth and thug attire at the time of the confrontation, not a blemishless baby.”
    Are you implying that the fact that he was a big football player with gold teeth made it okay to shoot him? Interesting.

  59. Ragspierre says:

    1. You lied about the sequence of the photographs.
    I gave you TWO opportunities to support what you said. You stupid, lying bitch.
    *1. Erm. No I didn’t*
    Devastating forensic argument, you stupid, lying bitch.
    Y’know, really…like…you are too stupid to justify doing this with any more.
    You are needed back on the set of Jersey Bitches.

  60. Aghast says:

    Oh for God’s sake, Riehl!
    You linked to an “original” at the Miami Herald that wasn’t an “original” at all, but a photograph of a poster that included a low-resolution photo. No one has “manipulated” anything, photo-wise. It’s a matter of copies of copies.
    Aside from anything else about the incident, the allegation that “the media” lightened Martin’s picture is on a par with the latest 9/11 conspiracy theory. What’s in your water, you fool?

  61. Ragspierre says:

    “No one has “manipulated” anything, photo-wise. It’s a matter of copies of copies.”
    That isn’t an original assertion.
    Prove it.

  62. jewelbomb says:

    Whatever dude. It doesn’t change the fact that I never even addressed the sequence of the photographs. You can keep accusing me of lying, but until you quote me doing so, you’ll keep looking like the dishonest, subliterate goofball that you are.
    In addition to having a problem with black people, your kewel style of argumentation shows that you have a bit of a problem with women as well. Enjoy your lonely, hate-filled existence, you goofball creep.
    Peace out!

  63. jewelbomb says:

    “That isn’t an original assertion.Prove it.”
    No dickface. You’re the ones who are asserting it’s been photoshopped. It’s on y’all to prove it.

  64. CaptainAmerica says:

    You’re the one claiming the photo has been manipulated.
    Prove it!!!!!!!!!!!!

  65. Cliff says:

    Look at that second image and ask yourself, “Where are his lower eyelids?” Photoshop fail.
    The darker image is obviously the original or closer to the original anyway. It has more details, realistic lighting, and eyelids.

  66. Ragspierre says:

    The picture wasn’t altered by the media, numskull. One version was taken from a low res copy from a protester’s sign while the other was the original high res version.
    Posted by: jewelbomb | Saturday, March 24, 2012 at 04:11 PM
    The lie.
    “I never even addressed the sequence of the photographs.”
    Too FLUCKING easy.
    “No dickface. You’re the ones who are asserting it’s been photoshopped. It’s on y’all to prove it.”
    Devastating repartee from a stupid, lying bitch with semen on her face.

  67. Uncle Fester says:

    His skin color is as black as coal which of course makes him guilty.

  68. Aghast says:

    I really don’t know who’s guilty or innocent in the case. It has now entered the circus realm, which insures that we will never know the truth. But the “altered photo?” That’s such obvious crap.
    Sheesh, Riehl linked to a story that he claimed includes the “original” picture. The caption on the photo identifies it as a photograph of a picture on a poster. It’s not in any way an “original” photo. The idea that anyone would claim it’s original, or believe that claim, shows just how out of control people are.
    Best thing we could do is stick Dan Riehl, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Newt Gingrich, the “New Black Panther Party,” and Geraldo Rivera in a soundproof room together, and let cooler heads sort it out. Of course, we all know it’s too late for that. By now, we have nutcases of all kinds who want nothing more than to exploit it for their own ends.
    How ridiculous.

  69. Ragspierre says:

    When did we start talking about Justice Thomas, Fester?

  70. jewelbomb says:

    Hey Rags…why don’t you go back and look up the word “sequence” you subliterate numskull. I wasn’t addressing the order in which they were published online but rather noting that the version that was more clear was the actual photograph while the darker one was a copy of a copy (thus further from the ORIGINAL photograph). Jesus you people are special.
    As far as the “semen on [my] face” bit, keep it kkklassy dude. You kiss your mother with that mouth?

  71. Ragspierre says:

    “…look up the word “sequence” you subliterate numskull.”
    Look up the word “original”…
    You poor, stupid, lying bitch.
    “No dickface”
    In your mouth, honey.

  72. Ragspierre says:

    “the version that was more clear was the actual photograph while the darker one was a copy of a copy”
    You were challenged TWICE to support that BS.
    You CANNOT, of course.
    It is merely your ASSSSSSSumption.

  73. jewelbomb says:

    “that from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made.”
    Again, this reinforces how correct the point that I made was. You’re seriously just embarrassing yourself at this point.

  74. Ragspierre says:

    “this reinforces how correct the point that I made was”
    ONLY in the stupid recesses of your lying, bitchy skull.
    SHOW SUPPORT, you stupid, lying bitch.

  75. jewelbomb says:

    Again, slowly this time, from the link on the darker, less-crisp image: “A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City”
    This indicates that the darker image was a copy that appeared on a sign. It was a physical version of a digital original that was printed on some physical medium. The digital image from DN, being a digital version of a digital image, is thus less degraded and more clear.
    Regardless, you are the goofballs claiming a far-fetched conspiracy with absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. It’s really not incumbent upon those of us who live in the real world to debunk whatever stupid nonsense you fools concoct to prove your lame-brained conspiracies.

  76. Ragspierre says:

    “The digital image from DN, being a digital version of a digital image, is thus less degraded and more clear. ”
    Or the DN image was photoshopped from some other image.
    You have NOTHING to support your ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSumptions.
    You studid.
    LYING.
    Bitch.

  77. jewelbomb says:

    My evidence to support my claims about the darker image come from the caption itself.
    My claim re: the DN image is based on fact that it came from a digital source rather than one that identifies it as coming from a goddamned sign.
    While this will never be enough to convince you, I’m interested in the support for your wack-a-loon theory that the the media is involved in some massive marxist conspiracy intended to make Martin look more innocent by making his skin appear appear lighter. I’m further interested in why anyone but a dirtbag racist would equate lighter skin with innocence.

  78. jewelbomb says:

    Never mind. I’m clearly too “studid” to understand your wacky wingnut reasoning anyway.

  79. Ragspierre says:

    “your wack-a-loon theory that the the media is involved in some massive marxist conspiracy intended to make Martin look more innocent by making his skin appear appear lighter”
    Yes.
    You are too stupid.
    And too great a liar.
    As is apparent to everyone by now.

  80. Ragspierre says:

    Piece out, my bitch.

  81. Cliff says:

    “A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City on March 21, 2012.”
    It says the picture that they showed was used on banners and signs. It does NOT say it is a picture of a banner or sign. It does NOT say it is a picture of a picture. And that assumption is absurd since the darker image has more detail than the lighter image.
    Neither image is the original. The top one has been cropped and the bottom one photoshopped, but the top one is closer to the original than the bottom one.
    Everyone should try and keep it a bit more civil. This doesn’t have any bearing on the case, just that the media should always be kept in check when it comes to using altered images.

  82. Ragspierre says:

    Nobody here knows it IS a picture of Mr. Martin.
    Do they?

  83. Uncle Fester says:

    They are hiding the fact that his skin is really black which of course makes him really guilty!

  84. Vincent B. says:

    Even if the facts are wrong, the narrative is right. Racist whitey kills innocent black teenager who was minding his own business when whitey wanted to re-enact the Jim Crow era.

  85. Ragspierre says:

    They are hiding the fact that his skin is really black which of course makes him really guilty!
    AND…
    Racist whitey kills innocent black teenager who was minding his own business when whitey wanted to re-enact the Jim Crow era.
    SO…
    we have a TIE for the MOST stupid, racist, and false posts on the thread.
    Way to GO, GUYS…!!!
    (btw…zimmererman is mixed race. just fyi…)
    Morons.

  86. Michele says:

    Imagine being a 17 year old child in a neighborhood you may not be that familiar with (clearly, if the “neighborhood watch captain” doesn’t recognize you). Now imagine it’s a cool evening and you throw on a hoodie and walk to the store to get a snack. Imagine you return from the store and you’re on your cell phone with a friend and an adult male starts following you. You don’t know this man, so you speed up. He continues to follow you and you tell your friend on the phone you feel uncomfortable. Eventually, they get really close to you. Are you frightened? Do you try and run? Do you try and defend yourself? How do you react? And don’t give me any BS about the hoodie or him attacking Zimmerman. At the age of 17, if a strange man started to follow me in the dark, I’m going to defend myself.

  87. Polaris says:

    “….what’s increasingly clear is that by climbing over one another to get the story, mainstream media journalists appear to be adding more confusion, than clarity, to the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.”
    Right. Because you’re so clearly the voice of calm and reason with the indisputable evidence and obvious expertise revealed by such statements as: “…appears to have been altered, somewhat” and “Clearly, it has been lightened, or softened, somehow” and the definitive “Along with other possible alterations. . . .”
    But hey, let’s not let your weasel words soften up those headlines! “AP Running Photoshopped Image Of Trayvon Martin” and “As Media Reports Conflict, Why Was Trayvon Martin Photo Altered?” My best laugh of today–maybe the week!–comes with this awesome pairing:
    Update: Is This The Same Trayvon Martin?
    Update: This does not appear to be the same Trayvon Martin.
    Thanks for injecting so much clarity into the story, as in it’s clear you’re going to sprain something in your relentless pursuit of the truth: Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed. For being REALLY BLACK. Or wearing a hoodie. Or being tardy a lot. Or maybe even trying to defend himself against a stalker with a gun. With your mad skillz, you should really look into those Skittles next, man. Probably some kind of gang sign.
    Also, never forget that you can’t spell “right-wing whack job” without the word “hack.”

  88. MRI says:

    only one man knows for sure why he ran and what happened. No one is asking why this kid was where he was at the time he was and what was going on? From the news reports it looks bad, but with a media who lies all the time, changes storys and forms news for results, you cant trust what they say or what they show.
    Let the justice system work. When all the facts are in and the system works, then from our thoughts on the facts, not the emotion being stirred by so many in the media.
    If he is guilty, then he should pay, but if he was/is not, then we need to let it go and not cause trouble that is not there. The media always has their agenda. Always question those who want you to “trust them”. then let the facts shape your decision.

  89. CaptainAmerica says:

    Mugshot of Zimmerman when he was in jail in Florida. Looks pretty menacing to me.
    http://news.yahoo.com/photos/george-zimmerman-seen-police-mug-shot-provided-orange-photo-075347786.html
    **********
    Zimmerman also blatantly violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned.
    The manual, from the National Neighborhood Watch Program, states: “It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous….”
    According to Chris Tutko, the director of the National Neighborhood Watch Program, there are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group—another fact the police were not aware of at the time of the incident.
    ************
    How about some PROOF that photo was edited. I forgot, you don’t have any. It’s just part of a BS campaign to excuse the fact a grown man shot and killed an unarmed kid who wasn’t doing anything illegal.

  90. Johnny says:

    As a member of the neighborhood watch, Zimmerman was doing exactly what he was suppose to do. He was licensed to carry a pistol, and was properly trained in its use. While these types of altercations are unfortunate, they do happen. There is more to this story than the media is reporting. It is wrong for them to use an altered picture of the suspect; and wrong to stir up race issues for the sake of selling papers. If a proper investigation is conducted without interference from Obama, Jesse Jackson and the Flying carpet muslims, Mr Zimmerman will be be found not guilty!

  91. Indigo Red says:

    Trayvon Martin was on at least a five day suspension. According to the Miami-Dada school district student code of conduct policy, being tardy (Level I infraction)does not carry any kind of suspension penalty – Chapter 2, pg 13.
    http://www.neola.com/miamidade-fl/pdf/scsc.pdf

  92. Laurie says:

    Not say who did or did not start this issue, nor should this young man have paid with his life, it seems if you’re a white man, you’re wrong no matter what

  93. Clammmy says:

    It would be curious to find out what the 10 day suspension was all about. That seems awfully high for simply wandering into an area that you are not supposed to be in. Without any further evidence to support this than carefully worded statement in the newspaper article, I would guess that means he broke into area that had something valuable.
    Certainly, establishing if the kid was getting into stealing or not would be part of any defense, especially one involving confrontation with a member of Neighborhood Watch, whose job it is to watch people likely to be involved in theft.

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  95. TJ Anderson says:

    As in the case of the Duke Lacross fraud, blacks in America simply don’t want to know the truth. They have too much to gain by perpetuating themselves as victims. All of their entitlements are based on victomhood. So, FBI-UCR data annually illustrates that black males commit 60% of the nation’s homicides? And it also depicts that virtually ALL inter-racial crime is black-against-whites? SHUT YO’ MOUTH HONKEY!! LOL

  96. Fred Beloit says:

    ATTENTION, ATTENTION ALL WOULD-BE CRIMINALS:
    If you are casing a joint in preparation for a robbery, don’t forget to stop by your local convenience store to pick up some Skittles. They will help you establish your innocence, as demonstrated by the NYT, Wapo and the rest of the MSM, and by jewelbomb right chea. Carrying some sodie pop wouldn’t hurt either, perhaps a Nehi Grape.

  97. Fred Beloit says:

    Hear ye, hear ye. The prosecution has completed its case. The court will now hear the Defense.
    “Your Honor, I have here a box of Skittles…
    “Why Mr. Lawburden, they sure do look sweeet and delicious. May try a few?”
    “Oh sorry, your honor, but these happen to be my Exhibit A in support of the complete innocence of my client.”

  98. Ragspierre says:

    “blacks in America simply don’t want to know the truth”
    That is a dumb over-generalization. Nobody in America is a monolith.

  99. Saddlebags says:

    Zimmerman is a member of a “Neighborhood Crime Watch Association”,& well within his “RIGHTS” to “Approach,& Ask”,Martin “who he was,does he know anyone in the “GATED COMMUNITY”…Basically, Martin was a “STRANGER”(Nothing To Do With Race)in a “Secured Subdivision”,& as being such would fall under “scrutiny”,& or “suspicion” as to “what his reason for being there was”?…Any member of a crime watch group,or even a “PAID” Security Guard, which some communities do have, would do exactly as Zimmerman did…The 911 tapes say a lot, but some people seem to think they can do what they want, go where they want, act however they want, even attack someone with no regards, no retaliation, or no rules applying to them…People need to take more responsibility for themselves, and their actions, especially when they’re in unfamiliar territory…I feel bad for both parties involved, but if witnesses say “Martin attacked Zimmerman” for doing what was “asked,or expected” of him by the “GATED COMMUNITY & CRIME WATCH ASSOCIATION”, then “Martin”, paid the ultimate price for “his” own actions!…No matter how sad it is, it would be the “TRUTH”,& that is exactly what the public needs,& wants with no “HYPE” & no “RACIAL OVERTONES” being used by anyone …”Rules,Regulations,& Laws apply to everyone”…”Period” !!!

  100. Dude you are seriously nuts

  101. Rob Crawford says:

    So, “jewelbomb” — do you have a rope ready for Zimmerman, or are you counting on someone else to provide it?

  102. Duane says:

    Maybe it’s your inability to read that makes utterly stupid. Or, it’s a simple fact of genetics. But, if you read the caption below the photo you took from the Miami Herald you would see that it was not an “original” photo as you claim (lie) – it’s a photo of a photo used on a protest sign held by someone equally as bigoted as you are. The depth of your stupidity and racism may be good justification for censorship.

  103. MJ Zifandel says:

    I have thought about this logically, if someone was beating the crap out of me and I could not get free without shooting them, I probably would. However, if I pursued them (even after being told not to by the police) and started the confrontation in the first place, I should definitely be punished. Because in that scenario, the shooting would have never taken place if I HAD LISTENED TO THE POLICE AND NOT PURSUED THE SITUATION!!!!

  104. david7134 says:

    Zifandel,
    Have you ever called the police. I have, several times. They would not come out and check a robbery at my business, they simply filed out a form over the phone and indicated they were not interested in catching any bad guys. Another time I was driving home from the hospital at one am. Several blacks started shooting at each other while I was stopped at a light. I called the police and they said “don’t worry about it”. You see, the guy was doing watch as we don’t have an effective police force.
    As to carrying a gun, any body in the south can do that without problem. It is your right. Obviously the Hispanic man needed the gun to protect himself and property from a bad guy.
    10 days suspension?? You don’t get that unless you did something big time bad. 10 days means you repeat the year in most situations.
    Then we have the Black Panthers offering a reward to kill the shooter. Did Obama say something about that or did I miss it? That seems to be more of an injustice than anything to date.

  105. Truckin says:

    Drudge altered the photo when Obama took a position on the issue. When Obama said his son would resemble Treyvon, Drudge modified the photo to make Treyvon appear more Obama-like.

  106. Cliff says:

    “Maybe it’s your inability to read that makes utterly stupid. Or, it’s a simple fact of genetics. But, if you read the caption below the photo you took from the Miami Herald you would see that it was not an “original” photo as you claim (lie) – it’s a photo of a photo used on a protest sign”
    Exactly where does it say that? Where in the caption does it say “photo of a photo?” It doesn’t. Maybe you shouldn’t insult someone’s reading comprehension without second checking yours first.
    “A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters”
    I can take one of my original photos and say “this is a photo that was used on banners and signs” and that won’t mean it suddenly becomes a picture of a picture. Fact is, with that caption, they could have taken any image of Trayvon and said that a photo of him wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs. But nowhere in that caption does it say that the photo they display was a photo OF a banner or sign or in any way a photo of another photo.

  107. Cliff says:

    “However, if I pursued them (even after being told not to by the police) and started the confrontation in the first place”
    We don’t know who started the confrontation. So far there have been no witnesses to the actual start of the fight we only have Zimmerman saying he was on his way back to his truck. And who started the fight may be the most important part of determining who is guilty of what.

  108. John Vang says:

    The lighter version is the original, the “darker” version is distorted because it was printed. Notice that in the lighter photograph theres a light(white bar) on the right of the photo while on the “darker” version it’s non-existant. Also on the darker version the ears are gone, and details of the hoodie on the right of the lighter picture is also blurred.

  109. Cliff says:

    The darker version has more details. Once again, in the darker version he has bottom eyelids. And in order for there to be no shadow on his face or inside his hood he would have had to be looking into a huge very bright light source in order to overpower the backlighting and to wrap all the way around his face. And if that were the case, his hair and shirt wouldn’t be completely black voids, his hairline wouldn’t be like that, and his eyelids wouldn’t be missing.
    I’m a photographer, I know what altered photos look like. An unaltered photo wouldn’t have all those sharp edges that are around his face and his hair and his shirt and the whites of his eyes. Those are caused by using masks to alter just parts of the photo. So not only is it photoshopped, it is poorly photoshopped.
    And one last time. there is zero evidence that the first photo is a print. It simply does not say that or even hint at that in the caption. And if you do print and copy a picture, you lose detail, not gain it. The shadow around the face and the lower eyelids wouldn’t suddenly appear in a photocopy. Neither photo is an original. The first one has been cropped and the second one has been drastically altered and possibly cropped as well.

  110. Mrs. Walker says:

    “jharp: “What part of Zimmerman had no business going after him do you dumb fuckers not get?”
    Drago:Has this been established? Was a Neighborhood Watch program in effect? Was Zimmerman a member of the Neighborhood Watch program?”
    Zimmerman had no business following Trayvon martin, as indicated in the police 911 calls. Neighborhood watchmen are to WATCH and REPORT. PERIOD.
    “jharp continues: “Trayvon paid for Zimmerman’s stupidity with his life.”
    Drago:Did “Trayvon” attack Zimmerman? Why do eyewitness accounts report that Trayvon, a 6’2″ football player (not a little guy) was on top of zimmerman and pummeling him while Zimmerman was calling for help?”
    it has not been established yet who engaged who, but it has been establish that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon without just cause even after he was advised not to by law enforcement. Zimmerman violated Trayvon’s right and in doing so lost his right to this “self-defense” claim. People forget that Trayvon is also protected under this same right to self-defense with deadly force” however Trayvon was not carrying a gun now was he. And yes, it would be alot better if Zimmerman took the ass whooping and both walked away with there lives.
    “Drago:jharp, is your new and improved lefty rule that anyone who is approached and questioned by anyone else can attack them? What would that do to Michael Moore’s “investigative” tactics?
    Don’t be daft or delusional. You don’t have the right to follow, corner, and question anyone about anything. That is called harassment and depending on the words you used in your ‘questioning’ it can also be assault.
    “Drago:So, let’s sum up shall we.
    The left, as evidenced by jharp, is already to pronounce Zimmerman (an hispanic with black family members) as “racist” and “guilty”.”
    _____________________________________________________________________________________
    It doesn’t matter if “the left” has deemed Zimmerman guilty, law enforcement failed to make an arrest. They are the racist here. As far as Zimmerman, his family has nothing to do with weather or not he was racially profiling at the time. But it stand that he did in fact break the law on multiple occasions, (following, confronting and ultimately killing Trayvon)and it is up to a judge and jury to deem whether or not these actions were justified. It was not up to the police to just let him go.

  111. Mariah says:

    Why Does The Picture Matter ?

  112. Elginn says:

    One thing no one is mentioning is the father’s clear lie about Trayvon leaving for 7/11 during “halftime of the NBA All Star Game”. That game began on TNT at 7:30; Trayvon was dead at 7:17 and pronounced dead at 7:30 by a Sanford paramedic. Check the police report. For a solid week, no one has challenged this logical impossibility.
    This week in People Magazine, the father will give another story: that he went out for dinner and left Trayvon at the girlfriend’s house. When the father (and presumably the girlfriend) arrived home from dinner, Trayvon was gone. The father wasn’t worried because he thought Trayvon was with his “responsible” older cousin, even though dad couldn’t reach Trayvon on the phone. Dad and girlfriend go to bed. It’s only in the early morning when Tracy (dad) realizes Trayvon is not with the cousin. (I’m guessing the cousin called). Then dad calls the cops to (as he told the Miami Herald) see if Trayvon had been arrested. That’s when he found out his son was dead.
    The NBA story, of course, was always impossible and the media should have fact checked it. It’s easy enough to check online. But they let it go for a week. Irresponsible journalism.
    But leaving your minor aged kid in a strange house, in a strange neighborhood, 250 miles from home? So you can go to dinner with your girlfriend? And then not caring enough to call the cousin before you go to bed to make sure your minor child is really there?
    The more I see of this father, the more I really feel for Trayvon.

  113. mad hatter says:

    hell i’m going to jump in here. having worked in the leo/security field in a variety of capacities i can honestly say that a 17 year black “boy”? can be very violent in a fight. As can a 17 year old white “boy” or mexican “boy” as was I in my youth. At 17 I was strong and aggressive. And being white didn’t make me that way. Being human did. Now I have a question and I hope only intelligent replies come forth. If Zimmerman was black and Trayvon was white… Suppose a 17 year old white “almost man” who was athletic, young, strong, and possibly angry, attacked a 30 year old short overweight black guy and got shot in the process and then after a month long investigation the black man was found to be within his rights under Florida law… would that racisr POS Al Sharpton be involved? Would so many people have been mad? Would the black panthers be calling for blood or would they be congratulating the pd for not arresting their “brother”? I’m just curious. What if the roles were reversed? Wait wait wait.. what if in the process of trying to keep his neighborhood safe zimmerman had been attacked by trayvon and killed? Would this be happening? Wait wait wait. Someone for the love of God please show me something that makes it clear that Trayvon’s father was upset with the way Zimmerman patrolled the neighborhood prior to this shooting? Wait wait wait someone please show me the law that states trayvon had the right to attack the neighborhood watch guy (if that is what happened) and the law that said zimmerman did not have the right to defend himself? If im beating my wife (she’s is half my size. I’m a very big man) and I beat her to the point that she thinks I’m going to kill her and she grabs her gun and shoots me dead before I beat her some more should she go to prison? Should Al Sharpton persecute her? I mean if i do not have a gun and she shoots me in that scenario should she get lethal injection? Should the President of the United States get on national T.V. and put his .02 cents in supporting a black kid if it is founf out that the victim was a drug dealing, violent, aggressive young man who attacked someone who was just trying to protect his neighborhood? Those of you who are mad reading my post I wonder. Why does being black automatically make Trayvon innocent in your eyes?

  114. Fred Beloit says:

    Good comment mad, but the MSM has given us good reason for believing in Martin’s complete innocence: Martin was carrying Skittles. Only persons of maximum innocence carry Skittles. Ask ABC, CBS, or jharp.
    That’s why the Monks of Mayhem, the Panthers, are so angry…Oh? They’re angry all the time? Well OK then.

  115. THILL says:

    I am a portrait photographer and have used various forms of Photoshop and third party software to “enhance” a face for years. This has been altered and brightened considerably. Look how his hoodie now appears white. The skin has been smoothed as well. This was a bad job and way over the top to look realistic, his skin now has just one flat color to it. This has nothing to do with pixels or resolution.

  116. slader says:

    Zimmerman won’t do any time because he was within his rights to defend himself. If (as police have indicated) the kid initiated a physical confrontation, AND if Zimmeman felt his life was in danger… then Zimmerman’s actions are justified. There is no law against asking a teenager why he is walking through the neigborhood at night. Especially a neighborhood that has had theft issues. All the 6’2″ football player had to do was run away. That’s NOT what happened. My gut tells me he confronted Zimmerman (as I can’t see Zimmerman out running Martin), jumped on Zimmerman (dude has proof of this), got his ass blown away by Zimmerman!
    Lesson of the day: Don’t tempt fate.

  117. Sonie says:

    I am so glad you hide behind a computer screen. He must of done something pretty bad to get suspended. His mother told us that he was suspended for a non violent offense. Even if it was for fighting that does not mean he was some menace to society. He was with his father, he was drug and alcohol free. And he has not record. Unlike Zimmerman who has been arrested before. You keep saying it does not matter, but yet you would post something like this. So I guess it does matter or you are trying to make it an issue. He mother says he is 6’3 and 140lbs. So what! Nothing can change the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed a CHILD. He was Tracy Martins 17 year old son and Zimmerman had no right picking a fight. If Zimmerman did get his butt beat, I am glad. So you pick a fight and then use a weapon when you are losing? I think not! It was man against child. But of course white people do not consider us human right?

  118. Cliff says:

    “So you pick a fight and then use a weapon when you are losing?”
    Can you link to the source that shows Zimmerman started the fight? I haven’t heard from that witness yet, so maybe you could provide that link.

  119. Nunya says:

    ummmmmmmm he was following the CHILD after he was told not to by the dispatcher if he was getting his ass beat then it was well deserved…wouldn’t you attack someone stalking you for absolutely no reason? Trayvon had a right to defend himself as well. As for yelling for help who gives a crap…one idiot made the comment well how much should zimmerman take and would he be in the hospital?? Does anyone really care? Would it be that much of a stink if the kid was just in the hospital rather than in a GRAVE?! Big difference…one alive in hospital maybe hurt….one dead in the ground…his story never to be told!!! GET A GRIP MORONS!!

  120. momof2 says:

    I don’t understand why everyone is taking this all to extreme. You will have no say so in the end factor. Everyone is reacting exactly how the media was pushed to get you to react from both sides. Media, protests and such have no result in the end factor. The Casey Anthony case was proof of that. The only result that is coming from the media coverage is more hate from both sides of the fence. Children who have full media access are reading all of this and from regular Americans learning that it is ok to hate. What is it going to change in your life personally to be right or spread more hate, so your right BFD. What did it get you? Respect? Nope? Medal? Nope. Personal satisfaction? Probably, but at what cost. There is already so much hate in this country do we really need to keep spreading more? Talk with your kids make sure that they understand from a non biased position that what happened was wrong for it ended and changed several lives.

  121. mad hatter says:

    i think what is wrong is people’s willingness to jump on a band wagon and convict zimmerman without the facts. If a bunch of white people were jumping all over a black man without establishing a LEGAL claim to his guilt we would call that Rodney King all over again and start rioting. Nunya called me a moron because I did not think zimmerman should be beaten to death before shooting. Remind me again… did Rodney King get killed by those cops? Nope I do not believe so. That means he had nothing to complain about by your logic. By your logic he had no reason to fear for his life. I mean really calling a 17 year old athlete a “boy” does not sound like logic. It sounds like an excuse. The picture was photoshopped, the picture wasn’t photoshopped. Regardless it was most definitely hand picked to portray him as an angelic child. Here is a thought. If a 17 year old white kid shoots at another 17 year old kid and misses and kills a 10 year old kid then we should ignore it because the 17 year old shooter is just a “boy” right? I did not know trayvon. I do not know zimmerman. But please lets stick to facts. And the fact is that an angry, aggressive, athletic 17 year old young man can be very very very dangerous. A 17 year old gangbanger is more dangerous. An angry, aggressive, athletic, 17 year old gangbanger who is on drugs is most dangerous! I do not know if trayvon was any of those things, but IF he was, then i believe Zimmerman acted in self defense. And if an angry agressive, athletic, 17 year old gangbanger on drugs ever attacked me and i felt he would only stop if i shot him… or worse yet ever attacked a small child, then he would be dead. Period f***ing dot. See I can spin it just like the media did. Maybe they will offer me a job?

  122. mad hatter says:

    hell i feel like preaching. Let’s talk about racism. In this country if the police witness a drug deal, both the buyer and the seller go to jail. that is fair and logical. My question is this: why does everyone hate the white man for owning slaves and no black man is hating on his own ancestors for selling slaves? That applies to the native americans as well i think. Wait wait wait. In this country at this time it is illegal to detain someone against their will. It is illegal to have someone detain someone against their will. It is illegal to pay for that to be done. Why isn’t the leader of the black panthers in jail??? Posting a bounty on someone’s head on national tv is a crime!!! if someone kills Zimmerman and we find out Zimmerman was only acting in self defense when he shot trayvon are we going to arrest the leaders of the black panthers for MANSLAUGHTER? Wait wait wait. In this country at this time we PROSECUTE cyber bullying. If you cyber bully someone and the victim commits suicide then the bully could face CRIMINAL CHARGES of MANSLAUGHTER. My question is this: Why isn’t Al Sharpton in prison for manslaughter? Didn’t one of those INNOCENT lacrosse players commit suicide? Wasn’t the good “reverand” being a cyber bully? can someone please answer that question for me in a very logical and unemotional way? Wait wait wait why is it that a white man calls a black woman a “nappy headed ho” and he is persecuted but a black man calls ALL women a ho, sl*t, b*tch, etc. and we call it art and give him tons of money and invite him to the white house? If you going to come down on Rush Limbaugh then we need to take every single rapper off the air. (before you start I like rap music) I believe in equality for all man kind. But there are too many examples of people who GET AWAY with B.S. because they are black. That makes all of us a racist.

  123. TBP says:

    Do you actually not realize that your apparent belief that darker skinned people are more dangerous looking than lighter skinned people is just a tad racist?

  124. mad hatter says:

    can you please point to my post where i said dark skinned people? I said angry, aggressive, 17 year old young man. That description applies to a lot of people other than dark skinned. I never said dark skinned people were more dangerous looking.

  125. Kia says:

    Besides his skin looking softer, he looks just as innocent in both pictures. Second, it does not matter what a person looks like, you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. If Zimmerman was so afraid, why did he pursue Martin anyway? Personally, I don’t care if it is racially motivated, Zimmerman made an err in judgement that cost someone his life. It is not up to Zimmerman to decide who should live or die. He called the police that sould have been the end of it. Lastly, people constantly bring up the case about the boys lighting fire to their peer. If you think their should be more public outrage start a campaign! There are many more like Trayvon that do not get the same media attention. What about all the muslims and gay people that are harrased they don’t get attention either. Start a campaign for them. Race stirs up so many emotions that everyone is trying to prove that their race is better or more victimized, yet we are all living in perilous times. God bless is all!

  126. JohnP says:

    Trayvon paid for Zimmerman’s stupidity with his life. And now we will soon see the price Zimmerman himself will pay.
    An inversion of the truth, of course.
    Trayvon paid for his own stupidity with his life. In fact, his life sounds like a series of mini Darwin Awards, culminating in his death at 17:
    Shouldn’t have taken pot to school.
    Shouldn’t have punched a bus driver (not verified as of yet).
    Resulting in a 10 day suspension from school, which resulted in his being in Zimmerman’s neighborhood, and not his own.
    Shouldn’t have assaulted Zimmerman, an armed man.
    Resulting in his death by lead poisoning.
    The other inversion, of course, is the assertion that Zimmerman was stupid to carry a gun, when in fact that gun might have saved his life. It definitely saved him from further harm from Martin’s vicious assault.

  127. Cliff says:

    “ummmmmmmm he was following the CHILD after he was told not to by the dispatcher”
    He wasn’t told not to, the dispatcher said they didn’t need him to, and the police themselves said that there was not legal authority behind that request. People follow people all the time and it is perfectly legal. There are even professions built around following other people around.
    “if he was getting his ass beat then it was well deserved…wouldn’t you attack someone stalking you for absolutely no reason?”
    No, I wouldn’t because, while following people around is perfectly legal, beating the crap out of someone you think is following you isn’t.
    “Trayvon had a right to defend himself as well.”
    That is making the assumption that Zimmerman did something illegal and started the confrontation. Do you have any evidence to back that up, or are you just jumping to that conclusion based on Zimmerman’s race?
    “Do you actually not realize that your apparent belief that darker skinned people are more dangerous looking than lighter skinned people is just a tad racist?”
    That was the stance of many blacks when Time ran a cover with a darkened picture of OJ back in the mid ’90s and when Hillary ran an add with a picture of Obama that appeared to have been darkened. So is it only a racist belief in one direction or only when people of a certain race make the argument?

  128. JohnP says:

    “”Erm, remind me what part of the Constitution allows for armed vigilantes to hunt down kids walking home from the store you mouth-breathing creep.””
    Here we have a typical product of American immigration policy and public schooling. As if the Constitution sets forth what citizens are allowed; it does not – it sets forth what the gov’t is allowed. But truth-inversion is the new normal, it seems.
    “I have thought about this logically, if someone was beating the crap out of me and I could not get free without shooting them, I probably would. However, if I pursued them (even after being told not to by the police) and started the confrontation in the first place, I should definitely be punished. Because in that scenario, the shooting would have never taken place if I HAD LISTENED TO THE POLICE AND NOT PURSUED THE SITUATION!!!!”
    The police did not tell Zimmerman not to follow Martin, probably because they don’t have the authority to tell citizens not to follow people, generally speaking.
    “Zimmerman had no business following Trayvon martin, as indicated in the police 911 calls. Neighborhood watchmen are to WATCH and REPORT. PERIOD.”
    How do the 911 calls indicate that? Where are the laws forbidding the neighborhood watch (or other ordinary citizens) from following people?
    “it has not been established yet who engaged who, but it has been establish that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon without just cause even after he was advised not to by law enforcement.”
    It has been established that Martin started the engagement:
    ABC News
    QUOTE “He said this man was watching him, so he put his hoodie on. He said he lost the man,” Martin’s friend said. “I asked Trayvon to run, and he said he was going to walk fast. I told him to run, but he said he was not going to run.”
    Eventually, he would run, said the girl, thinking that he’d managed to escape. But suddenly the strange man was back, cornering Martin.
    “Trayvon said, ‘What are you following me for,’ and the man said, ‘What are you doing here.’ Next thing I hear is somebody pushing, and somebody pushed Trayvon because the head set just fell. I called him again, and he didn’t answer the phone.” END QUOTE
    People don’t need to fulfill your idea of “just cause” to follow other people. It’s still mostly a free country.
    Similarly, citizens are not obligated to follow 911 operators’ advice. Hence the term, “advice.” Not that the operator actually advised him as you suggest – the operator simply made a statement about police needs.
    “Zimmerman violated Trayvon’s right and in doing so lost his right to this “self-defense” claim.”
    Which of Martin’s rights did Zimmerman violate? And how exactly did that result in his loss of the right to self-defense? Self-defense isn’t the sort of right people just “lose” at the drop of a hat.
    “People forget that Trayvon is also protected under this same right to self-defense with deadly force” however Trayvon was not carrying a gun now was he. And yes, it would be alot better if Zimmerman took the ass whooping and both walked away with there lives.”
    Maybe Martin would have beaten him to death. That’s part and parcel of the right to self-defense; a reasonable fear for one’s safety, which is inherent to “taking an ass whooping.”
    “Don’t be daft or delusional. You don’t have the right to follow, corner, and question anyone about anything. That is called harassment and depending on the words you used in your ‘questioning’ it can also be assault.”
    Martin wasn’t “cornered.” How does one “corner” someone in a gated community, anyway? It’s too open for anyone to be “cornered” in the way you suggest. And yes, residents of a gated community have the right to follow and ask questions of strangers. As for harassment and assault, if Martin had played it a bit cooler, he might’ve had a case. But as it turns out, he screwed the pooch on that one, big time; hard to play it all Martha’s Vinyard letter of the law when you’re on top of a guy, pounding his face.
    “It doesn’t matter if “the left” has deemed Zimmerman guilty, law enforcement failed to make an arrest. They are the racist here. As far as Zimmerman, his family has nothing to do with weather or not he was racially profiling at the time. But it stand that he did in fact break the law on multiple occasions, (following, confronting and ultimately killing Trayvon)and it is up to a judge and jury to deem whether or not these actions were justified. It was not up to the police to just let him go.”
    More juicy bits from the products of public schooling. News flash: private citizens have the right to “racially profile” all they want. “Following, confronting, and ultimately killing Trayvon”; hmmm, you skipped quite a bit there. As in, the part where Martin assaulted Zimmerman, and wound up on top of him, beating him. And changed the facts around, since it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman, and not the other way around.
    “All the 6’2″ football player had to do was run away. That’s NOT what happened.”
    Hell, all he had to do was walk up to where he was staying, open the door, go inside, and shut and lock the door. He’d (probably – no telling what other trouble he could’ve found for himself) be alive today.
    “I am so glad you hide behind a computer screen. He must of done something pretty bad to get suspended. His mother told us that he was suspended for a non violent offense. Even if it was for fighting that does not mean he was some menace to society. He was with his father, he was drug and alcohol free.”
    Do we know Martin didn’t have any alcohol or drugs in his system? I haven’t heard, one way or the other. Maybe he was all hopped up on goofballs.
    He was suspeded for 10 days, so yeah, it was probably bad. So far, the school system is refusing to release the info so we don’t know what it was. His mama is an unreliable source. So far, the media is suggesting it was either for having an (empty) bag of pot in school, or for punching a bus driver in the face. Neither report has been confirmed yet AFAIK, but so far he’s shaping up to be a budding young thug – his father knew first thing to check with the po-po to see if he’d been arrested.
    “He mother says he is 6’3 and 140lbs. So what! Nothing can change the fact that Zimmerman shot and killed a CHILD.”
    Again, his mother is an unreliable source. Recent reports say he was 6’3″, 160 lbs. As for your fact, it’s not a fact: a 17 year old is not a child, height aside.
    “He was Tracy Martins 17 year old son and Zimmerman had no right picking a fight.”
    Now that more info is coming to light, it’s looking more and more like Martin was a budding young thug who picked a fight with Zimmerman.
    “If Zimmerman did get his butt beat, I am glad.”
    Hey, right back at ya; if Martin had to get blown away at 17, I am glad.
    “So you pick a fight and then use a weapon when you are losing?”
    Again, it’s now becoming obvious that Martin assaulted Zimmerman, and Zimmerman defended himself.
    “I think not! It was man against child. But of course white people do not consider us human right?”
    What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Like so: but of course, Blacks consider non-Blacks racist haters, right?
    “ummmmmmmm he was following the CHILD after he was told not to by the dispatcher if he was getting his ass beat then it was well deserved”
    I see. A CHILD can beat a man’s ass in your universe. Well in mine, they can’t. 17 year olds are not children. Martin was a MAN, almost full-grown at that. Another oddity in your universe, a man who follows another man deserves an ass beating (but doesn’t have the right to defend himself from that ass beating, of course, even though ass beatings can and often do result in death).
    “…wouldn’t you attack someone stalking you for absolutely no reason?”
    No, you psychopath, most of us non-psychopaths don’t attack people for following us. But then, we don’t have the psychic abilities that assure you and Martin that Zimmerman had “absolutely no reason” for following Martin, either.
    “Trayvon had a right to defend himself as well.”
    If he just wanted to defend himself, why not simply walk home and lock the door? It’s not like Zimmerman was on top of him, beating him.
    “I don’t understand why everyone is taking this all to extreme. You will have no say so in the end factor. Everyone is reacting exactly how the media was pushed to get you to react from both sides.”
    The media dragged this into the national spotlight because they thought it fit their Emmitt Till narrative. Now it’s exploding in their faces. The media took us way past the time for letting sleeping dogs lie; blame them.
    “Besides his skin looking softer, he looks just as innocent in both pictures. Second, it does not matter what a person looks like, you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. If Zimmerman was so afraid, why did he pursue Martin anyway?”
    What kind of sense does that make? Maybe he was not afraid, then he found himself with this nutcase on top of him, beating him, and suddenly became afraid. Makes sense to me.
    “Personally, I don’t care if it is racially motivated, Zimmerman made an err in judgement that cost someone his life.”
    Sounds to me more like Martin made an error in judgement that cost him his own life. He should’ve walked home and locked the door. Instead, he attacked an armed man and viciously beat him.
    “It is not up to Zimmerman to decide who should live or die.”
    Sure it is – it’s called the right to self-defense. It wasn’t up to Martin to attack someone just for following him though.

  129. ice9 says:

    Not sure if this point has been made yet, but there is abundant precedent for racist passive-aggressive argument based on photographs, though Dan has the distinction of publishing the most spectacularly stupid claim in recent memory, and achieving perfect self-refutation in record time. (This Freeper takes first prize generally for pure dedication, as well as consistently paranoid solipsism http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html)
    It’s astonishing how un-self-aware Dan and his fellows from this dark (stratum of the wingnut-with-violence echelon GOP have become. Almost no effort to seem objective; almost no concern that they’ll be taken for bigots. The dog-whistles are plainly audible. Slap a few vague, ornamental racism-disclaimers in the text and go to town. I will give points for originality, though. The original racist black-man photo was far more serious. (described here http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hick0088/classes/csci_2101/false.html scroll down past the KGB’s state-of-the art photoshoppery). And OJ got off!
    ice9

  130. ice9 says:

    Sorry, wrong link for the Freeper. Here it is:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2458646/posts
    ice

  131. jasperddbagghost says:

    Hey remember the story about the white kid who was lit on fire by a bunch of black kids?
    They still don’t know if that’s a hate crime.
    Nobody knows about it because the victim was white.
    Now all you faggot liberal blacks can salad toss your way back to huffpo and the DU. Enjoy the pictures, since you can’t read.

  132. archer52 says:

    I’ve done a long post about this issue. As a career police detective who has dealt with kids from Miami (many moved to my city), and their attitudes I can easily see a situation where Martin decided to teach that man a lesson who dared follow him. I’ve seen non-violent contacts turn into serious, violent and deadly conflicts because a young black man felt “offended.” It is what it is, and I wonder if that ever comes out if those who promoted the “you can’t do that to me because I’m black” attitude will feel even a little bit accountable.
    Here is something nobody is talking about. As much as Zimmerman had a responsibility to use common sense, Martin had a responsibility as a member of a civilized society not to escalate the situation by jumping Zimmerman. He could have walked over and said, “why are you following me. I’m visiting with my dad at his girlfriend’s right down the street.” That would have solved the problem. Nothing in Zimmerman’s background shows he had any bias. He was just trying to keep his community safe, as we the police ask citizens to do all the time.
    In Florida there is a trial of a young black man who stripped two tourists who had wandered into his neighborhood, robbed them and shot them. Does Obama think his kid would look like him to?
    Here is my post.
    http://truthandcommonsense.com/2012/03/24/jumping-into-the-zimmerman-shooting-things-are-a-little-hinky-regardless-of-what-jackson-thinks/

  133. MaryUK says:

    If i was asked which image was most “menacing” i would say the top image, but certainly the pics being used by the press show him as a little angel, i have seen pics on teitter where he is all “Gangsta”, DOSENT prove anything!! BUT they are selective with the pics they are using of Zimm, they havent availled themselves of the pics where he is dressed in suit, shirt and tie, gives a very different impression of him, one that DOSENT fit their agenda.
    Regardless, this IS awful, that this guy lost his life but the courts should decide innocence or guilt NOT the media, Sharpton, Jackson OR the Blacl Panthers.

  134. Winks says:

    It looks like the first one had been photoshopped by zooming in closer on the face. The second image, which you are saying is the altered one, looks like the original.

  135. John says:

    The whole cuase of this is not racsim. Its the fact that people in general have no damn respect for each other.
    Z “hey young man you need any help”
    T “No sir im just heading home to watch the game”
    Z “Ok be safe on your way home there have been numorous break-ins in the area. Im on watch if you or any of your friends see anything let me know ok”
    T “Ok sir I will”
    GF “Who was that following you?”
    T “Just some old guy on neighborhood watch ill call you when I get home”
    See how diferent that night could have been. Racsim my ass.

  136. Cliff says:

    “It looks like the first one had been photoshopped by zooming in closer on the face. The second image, which you are saying is the altered one, looks like the original.”
    The first image has been cropped, but it hasn’t been altered like the second image has. Fact is, there isn’t a camera and lighting condition in the world that would give you the second image. You can’t have enough light to wrap all the way around the face and light up all inside the hoodie yet have absolutely no highlights in the hair or shirt. And if you don’t believe it, try it yourself. Looks like he was using a cell phone or laptop camera and he had overhead fluorescent lights behind him.

  137. Kirk says:

    This doesn’t look like a kid who would hop a fence, trespassing into a gated community. I thought he was just eating his candy like a good little boy. Excuse me; 6’2″ football player little boy..

  138. Trayvon's mama! says:

    My boy was a good boy. What’s wrong with smackin’ a cracker up side the back of the head with an iced tea bottle, huh?

  139. mad hatter says:

    i love all the signs that say I’m Trayvon. I love all the talk about race motivated. I love the hate white, whitie is the devil attitude. I especially love the “it’s cause I’m black” defense. Here is a thought. white guy follows young black man. Young black man has heard that white men are devils his whole life. Therefore black young man is in fear of his life and attacks. Orrrr young black man figures he is being followed “because he is black” as he has often heard expressed by his peers and elders. Either way he has learned that whitey is the devil and that he is a victim “because I’m black” that is the crap spouted by the good reverend. That is the crap that young black people are taught today. That is the crap that leads to tension and sometimes violence. wait wait wait. maybe that kind of crap, as taught by the black leaders in our communities, is what caused this peaceful situation to turn into violence and ultimately death. Perhaps the black masses should look at themselves, realize that they taught trayvon to look at white people that way, take a little responsibilty for the way they teach their children, and hold up a sign that sais “i killed trayvon” because they taught their kids to hate white people and that “BECAUSE i’M BLACK” is an excuse for any behavior performed by black people. That right Al Sharpton taught your children that they can do ANYTHING they want, good or evil, and use “It’s because I’m black” as a defense or justicication. He just forgot to tell you that not everyone will put up with that and he forgot to tell your kids that the phrase “it’s because I’m black” doesn’t stop 9mm bullets. Hold up the proper sign. Al Sharpton and the black community killed Trayvon Martin and that’s a fact

  140. ahole says:

    Apparently, SOMEONE thinks that lighter-skin is more innocent than darker skin. What does this mean?

  141. Cliff says:

    “Apparently, SOMEONE thinks that lighter-skin is more innocent than darker skin. What does this mean?”
    Ya, what does it mean?
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19940622&slug=1916759
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/03/did-the-clinton/

  142. Jason says:

    It is the “original” image from the Miami Herald that appears to have been darkened and is more grainy. If you do a Google image search of Trayvon Martin you will see several other pictures of him and discover that the image this author is claiming to have been altered actually looks more authentic when compared to these other images.
    I remember when OJ Simpson’s image was darkened by Time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:OJ_Simpson_Newsweek_TIME.png Now I think OJ was guilty as hell but that was wrong. I don’t know but maybe the Miami Herald did something similar here?
    This does raise another question, which is why are darker skinned people more frightening to some people than lighter skinned?
    Regardless of the image. What we do know is this unarmed teen was shot and killed by Zimmerman, who pursued him as heard on this 911 call by Zimmerman


    “They always get away”, he said.

  143. momof2 says:

    In reference to an earlier question as to why he was suspended from school, rumors of tardiness and being in a restricted area are incorrect. His parents addmitted to him being suspended from school for 10 days because he was found with a baggie on his person or backpack that had weed residue. This is not a dig to his character or any such thing just and answer to a question as stated by the parents. In other words a typical teen who got caught. Al Sharpton is doing exactly what he is paid millions to do, stir trouble, and I said that correctly he is paid millions to do this. Now you have the Black Panthers there(which I didn’t even know existed still) making very public threats and basically tieing a noose around their own necks. The politicians especially the African American politians refuse to show any support to the group or Al Sharpton publicly. I think that that alone should send a message. This case should never have reached the media mainstream but hey were talking millions here right, and ratings yes lets not forget that. The American people look like sheep in this case, it doesn’t matter what color you are you fell for it hook, line and sinker.

  144. Cliff says:

    Photo light lesson.
    Hoodie, back light, face lit by computer monitor only.
    http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r270/n2sooners/Snapbucket/93B67F3A-orig.jpg
    Hoodie, back light, face lit by desk lamp.
    http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r270/n2sooners/Snapbucket/549FB2CA-orig.jpg
    Hoodie, back light, face lit by phone camera flash
    http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r270/n2sooners/Snapbucket/22C918F4-orig.jpg
    The first thing that jumps out is what happens to the ceiling when you add a bright light source to the face. You also notice that the shadows inside the hood with the flash and desk lamp are harsh, not soft. And even with those light sources, there are still shadows on the face. Now these aren’t meant to be exact duplicates of the shots above, they are just to give you and idea of how light works in photography. Some keep insisting that the second shot looks more authentic and I just wanted to show that, as a photographer, it doesn’t look authentic or natural at all and showing is easier than explaining.
    Feel free to try it yourself. Grab your cell phone and put a bright ceiling light over your shoulder and try different light sources on your face.

  145. truth says:

    Read the twitter feed. This kid was subhuman, like so many blacks. Many have no values, ethics, morals – they are animals, and that is why so many end up dead or in jail (cages). That is what you do to animals. The leftists use them like plantation pets, clothe them in victim hood. They need to keep families, religion, study, graduate, work hard and they will be successful. I feel sorry for good blacks, you have to leave your people to become successful otherwise they will try and drag you down – the crab pot escape. You leave and you’re an uncle tom, a sell out. I guess the cracked out soulless animals wandering the streets of any major city are the leftists’ paragons of success.
    The media are scum – showing a picture of a pre teen, before he thugged out. And the president is the lowest of the low.

  146. kashier says:

    man delete this bullshit false ass statement’s

  147. Rob K says:

    Here’s a link to your “original”
    http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/supporters-gather-during-a-candelight-vigil-at-a-memorial-news-photo/141905356
    Which is actually a photo of a low rez printed protest poster and is noted as such on the the page you yourself reference as the “original”
    http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/22/2708960/trayvon-martin-a-typical-teen.html
    read the caption you dumbass
    What an idiot

  148. Curious says:

    V, you’ve made some claims here about evidence. Could you provide it?

  149. Cliff says:

    “read the caption you dumbass”
    Good idea, why don’t you try it?
    “A photo of Trayvon Martin wearing a hoodie was used on banners and signs carried by protesters in New York City on March 21, 2012.”
    So what does the caption say? It says a photo (it doesn’t even specify that it was the one above the caption, but obviously it was) was used on banners and signs. What does it not say? It does NOT say that the photo above the caption was a photo OF a banner or a sign, but that it was used on banners and signs. People with zero reading comprehension shouldn’t attack other people’s reading comprehension.

  150. E.R says:

    HAHA, this one is so funny. This picture was probably taken at an Apple store. They have their computers set up and you can take pictures on the application, photobooth (I have a Macbook Pro, so I have it). He used the Black and White option, and believe it or not, sometimes depending on the lighting surrounding the photograph, the person in the picture can actually appear lighter. Also, the darkened picture is the edited one, if you couldn’t tell, considering it is smaller than the other one, etc. Simple logic, people. Oh, and he is a link for an example: http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJKpqsXV-fHRlXiq80Qu3cZo7K4z-hxTiJWw6TUOcTBHaHu_JxSltyk6EV The guy is pretty tan and in the B&W, he looks lighter. DUH.

  151. Crystal Jones says:

    If you’re NOT BLACK, you have NO IDEA what it feels like to be CONSTANTLY looked at as GUILTY or INFERIOR. As a 31 yr old Black woman, the discrimination I’ve experienced over the years is shocking- I just can’t believe the racism that is still ALIVE AND WELL. Regardless of what he did in his personal, George Zimmerman DIDN”T KNOW- he assumed. It’s annoying to have someone think they have the RIGHT to ask you “what you’re doin in this neighborhood or this area”- it’s fuckin OFFENSIVE! So, Trayvon probably DID get defensive and hit that man- and now what? He deserved to DIE? He cleary called him a COON, which shows his prejudice. Spin it how you want to, as it’s been spun for years. This is the by-product of slavery, oppression and The Willie Lynch papers. You got what you asked for- a race scared and defensive as hell- which has devastating consequences for us. Thanks- job well done.

  152. Cliff says:

    “sometimes depending on the lighting surrounding the photograph, the person in the picture can actually appear lighter”
    Take a look at the pictures I took and the effect back lighting has. And just because the darker image is cropped doesn’t mean it is photoshopped. Cropping is simply changing the size of the image to fit in the space available. The top picture may even be a lower resolution copy of the original, but the simple fact is the darker image has more detail than the lighter image. He has a normal hair line in the darker image. He has bottom eye lids in the darker picture. He has natural shadows on the face in the darker picture. The bottom picture isn’t just photoshopped, it is poorly photoshopped.

  153. Floridarkies can die says:

    Big deal, another going-nowhere piece of trash off the streets, and 20 potential spawns off the welfare rolls. Zimmerman deserves an award for saving a lot of people grief and money. It’s not like the tray on martins of the world are known for their responsibility.

  154. charlotte says:

    The conservative news site the Daily Caller and the blog the Wagist claim they have unearthed a Twitter account, which has since been taken down, that belonged to the teen.
    Among many Tweets, the Wagist claims, is a message from his cousin implying that Trayvon attacked a bus driver.
    ‘Yu ain’t tell me yu swung on a bus driver,’ a user Tweeted to Travyon’s alleged account five days before he was killed.
    Tracy Martin
    The Daily Caller, says it has published 152 pages of tweets downloaded from Trayvon’s account. The site says Trayvon went by the Twitter handle NO_LIMIT_N***A.
    A few of the messages make reference to using drugs including one that says: ‘Finna (I’m fixing to) smoke 1 wit my dawg wayne.’
    But most are simply a take on daily life — the same as most social media accounts.
    ‘PLZZ EXERCISE YO RIGHT 2 REMAIN SILENT.. DAM,’ he says.
    Another says: ‘2 glock 40’s… b**** you got 80 problems.’
    2 GLOCK 40s??????

  155. Derek DeVries says:

    You’re comparing a photo of a printed sign someone was carrying [as clearly described in the Miami Herald caption] to the original digital version of the photo. Of course the two look completely different. Take off the tinfoil hat. Also – “Democracy Now” is not in any way considered the mainstream news media.

  156. Papavet says:

    jharp you are the dumb F

  157. Zo says:

    “The photo was altered using a “beautify skin” feature in an image editing program. Adobe and Ulead programs have this feature.”
    So the “beautify skin” feature makes it look more… white?
    Racists!

  158. LOL says:

    LOL, Fagspierre got destroyed here

  159. David says:

    James
    You fcukin RACIST, I hope u die.
    I am white, and hate YOU !!

  160. TiredofIgnorance says:

    clearly you never had your picture in the paper as a child… I am fairly certain the black and white news paper quality print never looked quite the same as my glossy photo.. Things such as shadowing etc do get enhanced in news paper print. Also, the news paper is zoomed in much closer. I am pretty sure most people look better in a framed photo with somewhat of a background than with their face zoomed in that close. Regardless, I suppose you are imply that if they did lighten his skin a little that somehow makes what occurred more acceptable? And since when did what someone ‘looks like’ alone make it ok to end their life? I know plenty of people who may look rough and be the kindest most decent people you could ever find, and plenty of well groomed high class individuals that are complete scum…ultimately, who cares what he looks like.. it doesn’t change what should happen with the case.

  161. Dux says:

    very insightful article. i still think this is our government trying to use a single case where a man had a conceal permit and killed someone to try and take away our right to bare arms.

  162. Patriot4Freedom says:

    “Jewelbomb” engages in typical Leftist sophistry:
    1) Asks numerous questions based on their
    misstated account of the topic in question
    2) When they are answered clearly… claims the
    responses are frivolous or nonsensical
    3) Claims they do not even answer the question
    4) Demands, repeatedly, that the questions be
    answered – no matter how often they have been
    5) Claims that direct, factual responses that
    disprove their contentions cannot be understood
    6) Claims they have “proven” their case, no matter
    how many falsehoods, inaccuracies, or outright
    lies they have been shown to have used
    7) They NEVER ultimately answer ANY response that
    proves their inaccuracies and lies

  163. John says:

    The only thing missing in the photoshopped pic is Berrys Hope and change
    halo

  164. ModerateThinker2 says:

    All of the character assassination in the world makes no difference. That actual proof we have shows:
    1.Zimmerman followed the boy without true cause and after being told not to by dispatch.
    2.Zimmerman lied about being the one heard screaming as several experts have finally reviewed the tapes using differing methods. There is no chance that Zimmerman shouting for help, so if Trayvon was screaming for help, then he likely wasn’t beating up his shooter.
    3. Zimmerman shows no signs of injury or bleeding during detainment in the recently released videos from the Sanford Police Dept. This raises serious doubt regarding anything else he reported in his statement.
    4. As a licensed, carrying Florida gun owner, I can say with confidence that the law allows one to “meet force with force” should one belief they are in grave danger. It does not allow one to be the aggressor in this manner. If I were to pursue someone who hasn’t done anything wrong due to my own suspicions (valid or not), confronting them and possibly attacking them makes me an aggressor, not a victim. Therefore, I would be unable to legitimately use the SYG law as my defense.
    5. In actual recorded conversation with the newest witness, he clearly states that he could not determine who was on top. Outside of witness tampering, not one witness is claiming that Martin was on top, but that is really not the point. So, if Martin was temporarily on top, how would that be relevant,if it was true? A teen who finds that a man is following him (by car & then on foot), is subsequently confronted and possibly attacked has every right to fight for his life; to fight to the death if necessary. PERIOD.
    6. The timing of the 911 calls and the cell phone records prove that Trayvon was speaking to his girlfriend when Zimmerman approached. Thinking logically, had Trayvon decided to jump this guy, normal behavior would be to disconnect first. This lends credence to her statement that Zimmerman approached and seemingly attacked Trayvon.
    Finally, while my heart goes out to any mother who loses a child, the issue isn’t even the shooting or whether it could be self-defense. The issues are the lack of a proper investigation by the police; the attempt to twist and/or guide witness statements to conform with their foregone conclusion; and the refusal of the police to proceed with normal protocol regarding requests for the release of the 911 recordings.

  165. urstrange says:

    Obviously doctored, like many of the life & family pixs of the Race Baiter in Chief(giveusliberty1776.blogspot.com/2010/12/barack-hussein-obamafraud.html, not to mention his life’s documentation…another rabbit hole for another time…,but I want to know how old he was in this photo? I doubt Trayvon was 17. Barakavon Traybama claimed the Hollister T-shirt picture as his would have been son, but I think the Facebook capture of a gold toothed gangsta Trayvon would have been more accurate.

  166. Hondo595 says:

    Have any of you buried a son or been the victim of violent crime? Is all this a twisted reality show for you people ? Pick a side make witty points. It’s tragic story and tragic people think the live in a place with no justice . Give the system time. It’s more entertaining to live in a world were Obama is president but racist police, District attorney’s and georgie boy conspire to cover up the killing of a black teen. I don’t like that world and if it had a shred of truth all should wish to change it.

  167. memyself says:

    Zimmerman had a record of violence. Was fired for being violent, arrested three times, twice for violence. Had a restraining order, picked up and threw a woman, etc. A co-worker said he was prone to snap, was like jekell and hyde and was a liability at work.

  168. Reader says:

    http://steelturman.typepad.com/thesteeldeal/2012/03/trayvon-martin-was-a-punk-gangsta-wannabe-gold-teeth-grill.html
    Zimmerman had the right to both carry a weapon and use it in self-defense – you’re the stupid one for not knowing that those rights are built into our Constitution – if you don’t like the Constitution, or you disagree with it, HIT BRICKS, PINKO.

  169. Angga says:

    in his book that he sought out’. You’ve got Obama hismelf saying he likes hanging around with radicals. Gee, is this why Obama is so radical in his policies? Hmmmm.Do you have any idea how much I despise the so-called main stream media? If it wasn’t for them, Obama would pretty much have been ousted out of office by now. Now, with the likes of Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his Cold Case Posse, Obama is being exposed as the fraud and criminal usurper he is! He can’t brush it under the carpet anymore. The American people will not rest until Barack Hussein Obama is totally exposed and brought to justice! It’s the American way it’s called our Rule of Law. Sorry, Obama, we all know you don’t like America, or our Constitution, or our Rule of Law, but, you and the lame stream media are the ones responsible for your deception and criminal activity ever since gaining the White House. You’re a fraud and you will eventually be vetted. Your lame stream media can’t protect you anymore Obama. Good riddance and I hope you get the justice that you deserve! That goes for your little wifey too!

  170. Roland says:

    Don’t Re-nig in 2012 does that somehow have nhtoing whatsoever to do with the tea party?? Also, how is it patriotic in the tea party’s eyes to make Obama a 1-term president above all else before any progress in job creation and economic recovery? Most likely, if Obama were to bring down unemployment to 0%, revive the economy, and restore America’s image in the world’s eyes, the Republicans, the Tea Party, FOX/Faux News and the rest of their ilk would STILL be unimpressed because they can’t wrap their heads around the first African-American/biracial POTUS succeeding, at least in some ways. After all, the Right’s fearless leader Limbaugh wanted Obama to fail from square one.Getting back to the Trayvon murder, since he has been cited to just have a bag of Skittles and an iced tea from a convenience store, the stand your ground law doesn’t pan out at all for Zimmerman, not to mention that a hoodie doesn’t pose a threat since you can see one’s face in it, as opposed to the hoodies the KKK wears On a personal note, Trayvon being armed with a bag of Skittles sort of reminds me of when I was on a movie date 10 years ago with a lady friend, where I made a flirty comment to her and she punched me fairly lightly on the shoulder with a bag of Skittles that didn’t make me angry, or much less want to kill/murder her since I’m better than that and don’t have a history of domestic violence against women Now, if only Zimmerman would MAN-UP and come clean with the truth of how hot under the collar he was that night he went after and murdered Trayvon Martin.

  171. Raul says:

    Kenny Irby, who teaches vusail journalism at the Poynter Institute, a journalism think tank in St. Petersburg, Fla.Betsi Grabe, a professor at Indiana University-Bloomington who has studied the effect of news images on public opinion, said photos that gain the most traction play into the desires of both journalists and the public for a story with a distinct victim and aggressor.MARTIN:The most widely seen picture of Martin, released by his family, was evidently taken a few years ago and shows a smiling, round-cheeked youngster in a red T-shirt. But at his death, Martin was 17 years old, around 6 feet tall and, according to his family’s attorney, about 140 pounds.ZIMMERMAN:Zimmerman, 28, is best known from a 7-year-old booking photo of an apparently heavyset figure with an imposing stare, pierced ear and facial hair, the orange collar of his jail uniform visible. The picture, released by police following the deadly shooting, was taken after Zimmerman’s 2005 arrest on an assault-on-an-officer charge that was eventually dropped.In a police video made public this week of Zimmerman being brought in for questioning a half-hour after the shooting, the 5-foot-9 man appears much slimmer.Reply

  172. Edevaldo says:

    they saw, take the fact that the black Zimmerman was neighborhood watch guy (we like those guys), and have the cops iciinatdng he has a bloody face / head, and we’d have the same attitude.Now could it be that the cops are lying to America?Sure, I guess. Lord knows cops lie… public employees being what they are today.But, until we have the cops proven as liars, which is a whole other legal ball of wax, I’m not getting how you think race plays into this.Black Zimmerman should be walking free until it is proven he’s guilty.And if in the rest of black America there are a bunch of black Zimmermans who are forced to go to jail after being neighborhood watch guy, calling 911, and ending up with a bloody face – then THAT is a horrible tragedy, and we should do something about it NOW.For conservatives, the first thing is somehow this became a thing for calling conservatives racists. Which is enough to force us to make sure no one is scoring points against our agenda which is paying less taxes, putting up with less noise from Democrats in general.The other thing is we’re buying more guns and we’re going to be keeping them – we want EVERYONE carrying a gun around – because well MAYBE YOU ARE RIGHT and public employee cops are bad, bad news.So for many conservatives, this is really about liking neighborhood watch gun carrying 911 calling guys – and not wanting that to go away.Last note, it’s good you wrote about something you read on a conservative site – I found your article through memeorandum, and generally, libs write about stuff from lib sites, and conservatives do same, so kudos there.

  173. Saqib says:

    Race aside, it’s still very very wrong. How can he claim self defense when the boy had nitohng on him to hurt anyone with, yet he himself had a gun? Come on now. And they won’t even try to investigate it?? A person’s life was taken!! That definitely calls for an investigation.I think all too often police try to cover eachother’s backs when things like this happen. In my town not too long ago a drunk off duty police officer was speeding and hit and killed a 15 year old boy with his car. The officers who responded to the scene (one being the father of the officer who killed the boy) tried to cover it up. They disregarded evidence (an empty liquor bottle that was thrown from the car window after the accident happened that an eyewitness saw) and the officer refused a blood alcohol test at the hospital siting a fear of needles as an excuse. When a persons life is taken, ALL ASPECTS of the issue should be investigated, whether or not it was probably self defense. That is ridiculous.

  174. Dannielle says:

    Zimmerman initiated this whole messy uotsatiin. IF, and it’s a big IF he’s telling the truth regarding Martin attacking him he still started the whole friggin thing.There are plenty of inconsistencies in his story or stories that have appeared in the media. It will be interesting to see what the FBI determines regarding the screaming for help during the fight. If it was Zimmerman screaming he will likely get off given Florida’s screwed up SYG law. If it was Martin………..he should take a plea.Trying to defend Zimmeman is not helping the gun rights cause. The truth is if you give cops or civilians gun they are on occasion going to shoot people who didn’t need to be shot. Hell, even Navy Seals screw up on occasion. Like my gramer dere ain;t no perfection in this life.As for any chicken, Pedro, I don’t drink much. You’d be better off paying for the drinks. My late dad was a alcoholic with anger issues. I just have anger issues.

  175. Karen says:

    we know the justice styesm does not apply to black people its the same old sung just a diffrent day. abt a month ago i was drivin my bosses suv to jersey to see my mom and ran out of gas approachin the ben franklin bridge acop approach me ask me why i was just sittin there i tld. him i ran out of gas. he was very nasty i told him you think i am sittin here because i have nothin else to do i talk to him the same way he was talkin to me because i did not commit a crime the color of my skin was all he saw

  176. Sein says:

    , if you’re armed, observe the Tueller Bubble and place yorsuelf accordingly. Giving ground so you have time to draw and fire if need be is also a way of de-escalating a conflict, it’s a two-fer. Officer, I tried to retreat, I walked all the way across the street but that man followed me and threatened to kill me with the crowbar he was holding. I’m sure Mas Ayoob will have an article out within a couple of months after the trial/no bill/whatever, but the first and best lesson to draw from this is that if you are armed, don’t let anyone suspicious get into a 20 bubble around you.Despite this tactical failing, displaying bad situational awareness while armed is not a crime. Neither is self-defense when someone is beating your head against the ground and trying to take your gun away from you. There is no WHERE to retreat to, whether FL had a SYG law or not it’s questionable whether Zimmerman would have been arrested. Either he, after having his head banged on the ground came up with a completely believable cover story taking into account the multiple witnesses and recorded 911 tapes he somehow knew were being made then waited around to tell the police so he could murder someone and get away with it, or he was telling the truth. Statistically, he’s probably not a James Bond-class master criminal or Keyser Soze, so I’m thinking it went down about the way he said it did until I have evidence otherwise. In part I think that because the people who investigate and prosecute crimes for a living think that, and they have evidence I do not.

  177. Edward says:

    I think its a kid screaming for help after he goes on bsciaally listing everything you can read on a race baiting outlet as proof of what he is saying.He even says he said the c word, when people with no expertise can show clearly that where he is supposed to say the c word, he uses to plosive constants. The first one sounding like a p, but the second plosive constant nearly matching the the /k/ in f’ing indicating he beyond any doubt said punks and the oo sound people are hearing is clipping from the wind.I posted a comment on his commenting about how he is promoting it was the c word even though hes claiming to be a audio expert, but it needs approval, but clearly if you read his blog post, he wouldn’t be allowed to testify in court about this, he clearly shows a bias against Zimmerman.Not to mention, you don’t have to be an audio expert to identify a person screaming in distress, because anyone in the biological identification of voices will tell you that people in distress trying to project their voice are trying to be loud, not to control the sound of their voice like we all subconsciously. A lot of people if you listen, talk to family members differently then they talk to strangers and don’t even realize it.

  178. Ridho says:

    I understand your conecrn. And appreciate your participation on this blog. I am equally conecrned with the mainstream media’s decision to portray Martin’s killing as a pro or anti Zimmerman left right deal. To wit: a Fox News talking head asked some professional agitator (on the right) why the killing had people on the left lining-up behind Martin and people on the right lining-up behind Zimmerman. He answered the question despite the false premise.I believe that the vast majority of commentators on this site, the vast majority of Americans who know about this case, are NOT pro-Zimmerman. Or anti-Zimmerman. They are pro the rule of law. Due process. Innocent until proven guilty. That sort of thing. Contemplating this tragedy from an if > then perspective as most of our readers are is no bad thing. It’s a good thing. It makes us question our own potential actions in a defensive gun use. But as for the foundational idea (on the left) that this case involves race, which has driven virtually ALL of the coverage, I simply don’t see it. Maybe that’s because I’m a racist (however subconsciously). Maybe not.

  179. Arben says:

    Zimmerman screwed the pooch so badly on his flloowing of Trayvon it isn’t even funny.Since we don’t have official statements form Trayvon’s Girl friend and we haven’t been able to read any statements made by Mr. Z I will only assume his situational awareness level sucked, but then gain he was never trained in anything, or even part of any official neighborhood watch group, which by the way requires training. He closed the gap on Trayvon way to soon, which he shouldn’t have done at all.He should have never have gotten more than a half a block from Trayvon ever. His surveillance technique was pathetic.I don’t know how this plays out in regard to the SYG law or what the official reports will finally conclude for the truth but I can be certain in knowing Mr. Z was guilty of stupidity if nothing else.

  180. Nihao says:

    Mar24 I don’t want this energy to go to waist. It’s ieggbr than Trayvon Martin, although it jumps off with his death. Now it’s time for ALL of us to do something in our communities. There was a 12 year old shot, and killed in my city around the same time it’s time to stand up, and do something.

  181. Jade says:

    Jenna – Gorgeous!! And that doesn’t even come close to explaining how buetuifal these are! Mom, you did a phenomenal job love them! And aren’t Erika and Matt great?! So glad you had such a fantastic shoot.

  182. Sergio says:

    there was NO indication Trayvon had been in a fight? No buiisrng on his hands whatever. The 9-11 call from Zimmerman had These assholes they always get away and with enhanced audio it can clearly be heard, Zimmeman said f**king coon. It looks like Zimmerman was determined that he wasn’t going to get away this time. He probably confronted Trayvon with his gun out and possibly Trayvon in fear for his life tried to defend himself. For all Trayvon knew he was going to be robbed or killed.

  183. Regi says:

    What Zimmerman did was outright muedrr. When he shot the boy why was there no investigation done. Why would the cops just take his word that he acted in self defense. Not only does he need to be prosecuted, that police department needs to be investigated. My sympathies go to the family of Trayvon Martin. He was an innocent boy who did nothing wrong.

  184. Surix says:

    But there ARE people that are both white and Hispanic. Look at Univision; most of the stars and ancrohs are white Hispanics. What about in South America for instance? Uruguay? Argentina? The children and grandchildren of immigrants from places like Spain and Italy, or even Germany, and elsewhere. Clearly white/European people (or they’d be called “white-ethnics” here in north America). Yet since they’re Spanish speakers born in south America, if they came to this country they’d also have to be called “Hispanics”. Would that make them a different “race” from, say, a cousin of theirs whose family had emigrated to north America instead of south America ?? That’s why that whole category (“Hispanic”) is so confusing in a way. It’s not just for visibly “racially-mixed” Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, etc, although that’s how it’s most commonly used admittedly. Zimmerman would be best described, in my view, as biracial (white/European and mixed Hispanic). His appearance however is, admittedly, much more like the latter than the former. Obama is of course biracial as well, but due to historical circumstances in this country (circumstances which were not really created by black people after all) he is much more likely to self-identify as just black, rather than white. The “one-drop rule”, etc. He readily admits to being biracial if asked. He’s never hidden it.

  185. XRaigar says:

    Yep. It’s sickening. This could have been any one of our kids. Or any one of us.For those who haven’t heard the audio and plan to, the macerss are undeniably that of the young man.Sad.

  186. Tholiwe says:

    This is nothing new. Blacks have been lclaed Afro-Americans for years, does that raise the question of whether blacks are African or American ? God forbid! it’s just a way of saying that those that are Afro-American are Americans of african decent. Zimmerman is bi-racial so he is identified by the decent of both races. President Obama was a bad choice to compare this incident with, because none of us know( for sure) of what decent, nationality or religion he is … as a nation we went with what was told to us …Is he the one that will deceive the nations? Or has he been unjustifiably accused? I think the “full” investigation of that question should have been done BEFORE he ran and became president of America … this is where the true comparison is because the FULL investigation should have taken place THEN and the case wouldn’t have to played out in the media NOW.

  187. Robin Fletcher says:

    Hey, carnivorous conservative and LIAR… you did the backasswards opposite… you took the clean lightened original and called it altered and took the darker altered and called it original. I’ll bet you are a Republican and call yourself a Christian. I hope you ask for forgiveness for your lies before God sends you to hell.

  188. Miguel says:

    This is so wonderful to hear. Especially when most of the rteiclas that I’ve read recently about teenagers and how they act have to do with all the bad stuff. The sexualization of young girls, slut shaming and rape culture. Most of what I read almost makes you think that all kids do these days is go around and insult others and then run to their mommies for protection because they know no one else is allowed to discipline them.It’s so refreshing to finally read about kids sticking up for someone else and putting their foots down for something that they believe in. THIS is what the news on today’s teens in America should look like.

  189. Linda says:

    We can judge based on the facts we know. And in this case I’m willing to say we know eogunh facts to make a judgement. To wit, an innocent black teenager was shot and killed. And then if at a later date we learn different facts, we’re allowed to change our opinion.

  190. Marwan says:

    he thought he was ensiwsting a kidnapping (can you guess what race Loggins’ wife is?) and then changed the story (several times) to include more erratic behavior by Loggins. Friends of Loggins say he was an upright guy who was in the habit of taking an early morning prayer walk with his daughters at the school track before starting work. The daughters were held by the police for 11 hours before being released to their mother. The family is suing. No national break-out.

  191. Petr says:

    I agree with your sentiments and iebleve, as the Law and Prophets are summarized, race relations can be dealt with by loving the Lord Our God with all we have and loving our neighbor as ourselves.And because we like to talk text quite a bit, particularly what it meant to the original audience, I’ll push back a little on your use of Eph 2:14ff in this case. In short, this pericope has little to do with racial reconciliation as we talk about it today. Additionally, I don’t iebleve it is referencing all of humanity. Theologically and contextually speaking, Eph 2:11ff has to do with Israel (near) and Pagans (far away). Paul puts all races in one of two groups here: those who are without God (not Israel) and those who are with God (Israel). Thus, the two humanities are 1) Israel and 2) everybody else. I think what Paul is really concerned about is that there is a danger of having a Gentile Christianity not thinking they are now in Israel. There is the battle of remaining hostility, enmity, and fundamental hatred on both sides of the two humanities. That hostility was on display in the fact that those who are near had the commands and regulations whereas those who were far off did not (Paul writes of this same advantage for the near in Romans 9:4-5).Thus, in v.19 we see the reversing of v.12. Because of Christ tearing down the barrier of the Law (which here includes more than just ceremonial aspects; also moral ones), no longer are the Gentile (believers) strangers and foreigners but they are fellow-citizens. They are now saints and are of the elect of God in Christ (which were first the Jewish Christians in the early history; i.e. to the Jew first ). So now Gentile Christians are members of Israel (συμπολιται). This is what must be stressed today. All who iebleve in Christ are Israelites, have a Davidic King, are Jews (by being circumcised of heart, not merely of the flesh 2:11), and are true children of Abraham. It is not about humanity in general.I’ll stop there, but I know you like discussing this stuff! Grace be with you -Jr