Why The Immigration Bill Doesn’t Matter

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January 30, 2013

Rush weighs in on Marco Rubio. I guess it’s too much to ask for the GOP to field a professional team that didn’t get wrong-footed by the opposition on every play. That aside, if a majority of these would be new Hispanic citizens were going to vote for the GOP, how much effort do you think the Dems would put behind reform? None, frankly. Hell, the GOP would be pushing it, instead.

I’ll put this in a football term.  They’re running the no-huddle offense on us.  We don’t even have time to catch our breath.  They’re running play after play after play.  We don’t even know what defense we’re gonna run. We don’t get new defensive personnel on the field. We can barely keep up.  But we never even end up on offense.  Now, the thing about Rubio and his interview here in the busy broadcast hour, the reason he was praiseworthy and the reason I was excited about it, is it is an issue that’s going to have to be dealt with at some point, and if Rubio can solve this in the way he set forth, it would be a good thing.  I don’t know what the odds are.

As for the bill itself, it’s a shell game. People will get citizenship and we’ll never see all the border enforcement that’s promised, etc… Above via Resist Cynicism About Marco Rubio – The Rush Limbaugh Show.

In any event, this is the real problem. h/t Malkin. “J. Christian Adams gets to the heart of the problem (emphasis added):”

GOP ‘Outreach’ to Hispanics Won’t Work

Understand something — I have been ambivalent about the immigration issue for many years. But the vote this week was extremely racially polarized, and deliberately so. Sixty-two percent of whites voted for Romney. Ninety percent of black voters and 71% of Hispanic voters went for Obama. That’s how the race groups working for the Democrat Party want it. They are very very effective at keeping the races politically polarized.

Those numbers are frightening, and no amount of traditional “outreach” is going to change them, even a new-found acceptance of illegal immigration. Those calling for outreach to minorities are only half right. Something needs to be done, but they naively prescribe the mistakes of the past that will forever alter the demographic character of America, without altering the vote totals for the GOP. In time, the electoral percentages will actually grow worse for the GOP after concessions on immigration. More drastic and daring efforts are needed.

There is only one way to obtain the support of Hispanics and other minorities eventually. Conservatives must first confront and destroy the credibility of the racial interest groups that serve as the gatekeepers to these communities. Once-relevant and noble groups like the NAACP, and others less noble such as LULAC and MALDEF, must be exposed as the frauds that they have become in 2012. Their finances and racialist agenda must be revealed and lampooned. Their racial extortion of corporate America must be confronted. The entire political operation of these groups must be vivisected by some of the brightest investigative and journalistic conservative minds.

Otherwise, the skilled and experienced racial-antagonism operation of these racial organizations will keep the herd together, voting in solid blocks no matter how much “outreach” the GOP conducts after agreeing to amnesty.

Until the Right and the GOP effectively penetrates the latino – and other communities – with a Right-leaning and perhaps even a conservative message, immigration reform will remain the wedge issue it is and the GOP loses either way. As I’ve little confidence in the GOP’s ability, or even desire, to do that with anything other than a – we can give you everything Democrats do message, one may just as well stand on principle and oppose a shell game dressed up as a bi-partisan bill.

Unfortunately, the issues are greater than any one bill and without significant new conservative political leadership – keep your fingers crossed for 2016 – there really is no winning for conservatives with the current GOP. Admittedly, the GOP is stuck between a rock and a hard place on this and other issues. But it’s of it’s own making for failing to uphold its own alleged principles over years. I’m not in much of a mood to feel sorry for them as a result.



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Comments:
  1. Jen Kuznicki says:

    “I guess it’s too much to ask for the GOP to field a professional team that didn’t get wrong-footed by the opposition on every play.”

    “Get involved in one of those areas and get serious if that’s your thing. A movement has to be vast to succeed, not narrow. And the current movement is far more vast than we often stop to appreciate. Unfortunately, many areas don’t get the attention they deserve in the daily discourse out here.”

    “No one wants to join a group of people intent on being perpetually pissed off about whatever they can dig out of the headlines on a given day.”

    “Let’s try to stop pretending that it is everyday, or with every new blog post, gather our thoughts and forces, consult the better angels of our nature and come up with good answers and solutions over the time required to do it. ”

    “Why The Immigration Bill Doesn’t Matter”

  2. Ragspierre says:

    “As for the bill itself, it’s a shell game.”

    Dan, there isn’t a bill.

    Until there IS a bill, calm down, and don’t gnaw on anyone’s head.

    As far as amnesty goes, it is ESSENTIAL to understand that it has never worked here or anywhere else it’s been tried, to the best of my knowledge.

    And it isn’t about crass politics (though that is one dimension). It is also about morality, national sovereignty, security, and the rule of law.

  3. Ragspierre says:

    I also have to admit that Pres. Skeeter had me laughing out loud yesterday when he threatened he would send his immigration package to Congress and insist they act on it!

    THAT was comedy gold…!!!

    • Sanity says:

      In other words, you still isn’t learning and don’t know why you lose.

      Maybe watching the GOP rip itself apart over immigration will help enlighten you.

      But I doubt it. Which, of course, matters to no one.

      • Ragspierre says:

        Again, losing what?

        Conservatives are not a monolith telling a collective lie, as is and does your Collective.

        We can and do disagree. Because we think.

        Which you demonstrably do NOT, which matters to nobody…

        except for your foil value.

        • Sanity says:

          “Again, losing what?”

          The popular vote in 5 of the past 6 presidential elections? Very winnable senate seats? The congressional vote by over a million votes despite Gerrymandering? The national conversation? The future?

          “Conservatives are not a monolith telling a collective lie, as is and does your Collective.”

          Funny how you can’t convince ANYONE who doesn’t look and think like you, that this is remotely true. Which is the problem you can’t fix. Rather, it is YOUR problem. No one else cares.

          John McCain, your presidential nominee from 2008, says that if the GOP doesn’t get on board with immigration reform, certain red states could flip to blue states? Is he lying, Clownselor?

          • Ragspierre says:

            My, my…such a whining litany of BS!

            How about THESE conversations…

            Gorebal Warming-Cooling-Change-Chaos-Thingy

            Gun control

            Unions

            Immigration (everyone is agreeing that the borders have to be controlled and the rule of law reimposed…even if the Collectivists are lying…again)

            Spending has to be controlled

            Using sound science and engineering (Reality Energy v. Delusional Energy)

            I’m pretty happy with where we are, in terms of watching you idiots losing your bowels over these “issues”.

            I’m REALLY happy with our control of the states.

            McAnus is often WRONG. Which is why you love him.

            When, btw, has amnesty EVER worked, ANYWHERE.

            We’ll wait. Moron.

      • Ragspierre says:

        Now, seriously, UnSanity…

        didn’t you giggle a little at the image of Pres. Skeeter stamping his feet and “insisting” a co-equal branch of government jump to his diktat?

        Really…???

        • Sanity says:

          Yes, because second term presidents have never used their relative popularity to push congress to take up their agendas.

          But when the black fella does it, YOU’RE the victims. But your not racists. Strangely, this theory isn’t selling with anyone outside of your bubble.

          Remember the days when you morons were at least good at politics? Marco Rubio is trying to do something politically smart. Watch how it rips apart the GOP.

          But you’ll be giggling like a mental patient because PJM, something something ….

          • Ragspierre says:

            “Yes, because second term presidents have never used their relative popularity to push congress to take up their agendas.”

            Well, one could note that Obama is the LEAST popular second-term president in many decades…

            but every president in my memory did not do it by stamping his lil’ foot and “insisting”…

            until Pres. Skeeter.

            You are such a punked-out tool…!!! Fun to watch, actually.

  4. Sanity says:

    “There is only one way to obtain the support of Hispanics and other minorities eventually. Conservatives must first confront and destroy the credibility of the racial interest groups that serve as the gatekeepers to these communities. Once-relevant and noble groups like the NAACP, and others less noble such as LULAC and MALDEF, must be exposed as the frauds that they have become in 2012. Their finances and racialist agenda must be revealed and lampooned. Their racial extortion of corporate America must be confronted. The entire political operation of these groups must be vivisected by some of the brightest investigative and journalistic conservative minds.

    Otherwise, the skilled and experienced racial-antagonism operation of these racial organizations will keep the herd together, voting in solid blocks no matter how much “outreach” the GOP conducts after agreeing to amnesty.”

    In other words, no, our wingnuts still isn’t learning.

    • Ragspierre says:

      We really do not care to learn to be racists, a lesson you demonstrate your mastery of regularly.

      An accomplishment for a moron, it must be noted…

      • Sanity says:

        Well, true – you need no learning on being racists. You’ve mastered the subject so well in the past 6 years or so, that even constituencies that you could arguably appeal to, don’t want to have anything to do with you. :)

        And you’re too stupid, old, and flabby to know why. Which, again, matters to no one.

        • Ragspierre says:

          But everything you just said is a lie.

          As between you and I, you have consistently posted racial hate here. I NEVER have, because it is foreign to me.

          It is YOUR Collective that has and does institutionalize racial discrimination in law and regulation…even in business culture.

          It is YOUR Collective that has driven racial divides in this country PAST the worst state since the 60s.

          And, of course, you’ve done that with lies and absolute political design.

          • Sanity says:

            Whatever you say, Clownselor. Good luck convincing the constituencies you need to win national elections that your rancid policies are not repugnant to them.

          • Ragspierre says:

            Shorter UnSanity…

            Our lies work.

  5. Ragspierre says:

    President Skeeter makes me giggle like an overweight, elderly schoolgirl. The library is open late tonight so look for much more commentary from me today.

  6. Ragspierre says:

    “Funny how you can’t convince ANYONE who doesn’t look and think like you, that this is remotely true.”

    See, this is both a LIE and an interesting admission of stupid.

    How many Hispanic conservatives hold office in the Congress?

    How many Black Senators are there, and what is their party?

    Conservatives don’t care about a person’s skin. They care about their ability and character. Like Republican MLK.

  7. Ragspierre says:

    Oh, and the SmartPower(tm) disaster…

    it just keeps paying dividends for a less stable world.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/30/us-russia-usa-lawenforcement-idUSBRE90T08B20130130

    But, “What difference, at this point, does it make?!?!?”

  8. You are VERY right Dan, re. neutralizing this issue

    We need to find a way to get around this and put it to bed, the Dems are abusing us while enjoying the public image of being the white hats

    But without border enforcement -and considering Obama isn’t enforcing many of the current laws- I don’t know what the Rubio proposal gets us

    The reason it seems to not matter tho is that the kind of bill Obama’s willing to sign will probably not ever come to be- Rubio’s plan is about all the right could stomach really -I don’t care for it myself- but it’s nowhere near what Obama’s looking for

  9. Sanity says:

    “Well, one could note that Obama is the LEAST popular second-term president in many decades…”

    Yes, an idiot/liar like you would possibly make such a note. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/01/30/president-obamas-popularity-surges-to-three-year-high/

    Don’t worry; no one is expecting you to support your statement that President Obama is “the LEAST popular second-term president in many decades…”

    Because you cannot.

    “But every president in my memory did not do it by stamping his lil’ foot and “insisting”…”

    When did President Obama “stamp his lil’ foot”? Specifically. Or are you just lying again?

    The fact that you do not see the political end game behind “insisting” on immigration reform is the part that should concern you. But again, as we know, you’re too stupid/dishonest to get it.

    • Ragspierre says:

      http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/gallup-obama-tied-bush-least-popular-reelected-president_698120.html

      Gallup shows Obama’s average approval rating so far this January as being just 52 percent. President George W. Bush’s average approval rating in January 2005, immediately following his reelection, was also 52 percent. This can hardly be a source of satisfaction for Obama, who ran against Bush not once but twice — without Bush’s being on the ticket either time.
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      But it gets worse. President Clinton beat Obama by 8 percentage points, as Clinton’s average approval rating in January 1997 (immediately following his reelection) was 60 percent. President Reagan beat Obama by 11 points, as his average approval rating in January 1985 was 63 percent. President Nixon beat Obama by 7 points, as his average approval rating in January 1973 was 59 percent. President Eisenhower beat Obama by 21 points, as his average approval rating in January 1957 was 73 percent. And President Truman — who barely beat Thomas Dewey— beat Obama by 17 points, as Truman’s average approval rating in January 1949 was 69 percent.

      So, out of the seven postwar presidents who won reelection — a test that only Presidents Johnson, Carter, and George H. W. Bush failed (as President Kennedy was killed in office and President Ford was never elected in the first place) — Obama is currently tied for last place in popularity. Moreover, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton not only all had higher approval ratings at this stage of their presidencies than Obama does, but their approval ratings dwarfed Obama’s — beating his by an average of 13 points.

      By historical standards, Obama can hardly be viewed as entering his second term as a strong, popular, and well-respected president.
      ___________________________________

      There you go…your afternoon punking.

      Happy to oblige.

      We’re still waiting for your citation to an amnesty program that worked to solve illegal immigration.

      Tick-tock…

    • Ragspierre says:

      The fact that you do not see the political end game behind “insisting” on immigration reform is the part that should concern you.
      —UnSanity

      Perhaps you could explain why Pres. Skeeter torpedoed immigration reform back in his Sen. Not Present days…???

      I mean, I know why, but it would be fun t o see you wiggle like a worm on a hook.

      Again.

      Some more.

      Another time.

  10. Ragspierre says:

    That ObamaCare just screws up SOOOOOooooo much…

    As the Washington Post’s Sarah Kliff details, legalizing immigrants who are currently in the country illegally could make millions of them eligible for Obamacare. Though the exact number is difficult to pin down for a number of reasons, and we don’t know how many immigrants would obtain legal status as a result of any reform package, one Congressional Budget Office report estimated that 7 million to 8 million illegal immigrants would be uninsured after Obamacare because they won’t qualify for benefits. If this population were legalized and became eligible, it would mean increasing the number of Obamacare beneficiaries by over 20 percent. (The CBO has estimated that Obamacare would cover 36 million people either through the Medicaid expansion or the exchanges.)
    _______________________________

    See…??? Now we simply cannot afford amnesty.

    Obama made it worse.

  11. Librarian says:

    Dear Ragspierre!

    Thank you for your daily patronage of our library and the free Internet access it provides. We would like to point out several policies which you have seemed to forget lately:

    1. Please keep your hands above the table at all times. No “wandering”.

    2. Please make use of the restroom facilities when you feel a bout of flatulence coming on.

    3. We like to keep our library as quiet as possible. If you must rant about “the collective” please go outside and do so.

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  12. Ragspierre says:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323701904578276232797685750.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

    Unions will help kill off the immigration deal, too. They will just do it very quietly.

  13. Ragspierre says:

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/02/how-the-obama-administration-defies-federal-law-on-immigration-and-welfare.php

    When you have an outlaw presiding over the Obamabanana Republic, there is no point in passing a new law for him to violate.